Did Moral Monday preacher pay alimony from his non-profit? (05-27-2025--Hour3)

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Reverend William Barber, known for his Moral Monday protesting at the North Carolina General Assembly low those many years ago, turned it into a national brand. Now it's called the. The Poor People's Campaign, I think, and he's planning another march into a legislative hall I think in Congress right sometime in June. So he stays active on Washington in June for a moral budget. Yeah, for a moral budget. Which do you remember when the legislature ran the numbers on his moral budget demand here in North Carolina, and it was something like sixty billion dollars or something, just. As some ridiculous number way up in the bees. Yeah, and so he's look, he's a leftist. He stepped into a power vacuum that existed after the North Carolina Democrat Party basically collapsed around twenty ten, and they had no leadership, they couldn't fundraise, they were actually going to have their their headquarters. They were going to get kicked out of their headquarters because they couldn't pay the rent. And so he then starts these Monday Marches, the Moral Monday Movement, or as I call it, the Momo Mo. And so he starts marshaling these marchers, and they go into the legislature, they disrupt the meetings, they scream and chant, they get themselves arrested on purpose, and all of that theater. So why are we talking about Reverend Barber Well Ap You've got a hold of some court documents that were filed by his now ex wife Rebecca. They've been married forty years and they had a divorce. They got a divorce and I guess what last year, and they went through mediation to avoid going to court and fighting it out. But the mediation has not been successful. So now we have court documents. All right, So what's the big takeaway from the court documents that are now available? Well, there's two things. The first one is that his ex wife had alleged marital and misconduct against him for apparently a relationship. We're living with someone who worked for one of his organizations. I'm not sure which one it was. He also had an organization called Repairs of the Breach, which is an offshoot of his Moral Monday and Poor People's campaign stuff going on, and in that organization, she's alleging that moneys from that nonprofit were being funneled to Barber to pay her alimony. And she goes on to list the financial status of Repairs of the Breach from twenty twenty to twenty twenty three, and the totals coming in the million dollar range. Yeah, multiple million dollars. Yeah, they've got a million a year, Yeah, five million a year or so in revenue, which is just astounding, and so the argument is that the repairers of the Breach nonprofit, it needs to be attached to the cloiint to the to this court case now because he was sending money. For ways to pay out the alimony. So she's looking for more assets basically that would support funding the alimony that she's asking for. Right and it's like seven grand a month that he's paying her. Seven thousand dollars a month he's paying her, And according to what I saw in the documents, she's saying that she would get checks directly from repairers of the breach. Well, it looks like the amount came to Barber first and then he cut the check to her. But the discovery that she's seen so far, in the document she's seen so far, it looks like she's implying that they were funneling the money to him and he was sending it to her. So it's interesting, you know. I mean, if you're looking at the twenty twenty three filings for this Repairs of the Breach group, it's got revenues of around five point one eight million and expend this is of over six million, so they're in the red there. But Barber's personal compensation in that filing is over twenty two twenty two and wait, sorry, what is that? Twenty two two hundred twenty four thousand. Sorry, and their total assets are listed at over eight point twenty six million, So I mean this was organization for a nonprofit doing pretty well. Yeah. Yeah. So also there was a mention here according to the filing, and again this is a filing from Rebecca Barber, although she is listed as the defendant in this case, that because Reverend Barber was the original plaintiff for the divorce. I guess, yeah, he wanted to go through the flu mediation and that just fell apart apparently, So she's listed. I mean, there's various financial institutions listed throughout the documents as according to what she filed in the discovery motions. And now she's filed another discovery to get more into the repairs of the breach finances. So there was a line in here also that I saw that he was deposed for part of this, and his deposition, she says, quote revealed potentially inappropriate interactions with two female employees. And then after the deposition, Reverend Barber married a woman named Della Owen who happened to be his head of security at Repairers of the Breach. Yes, And the accusation here is essentially that Repairers of the Breach was used in order to shield marital assets from the discovery and distribution. So this way wouldn't be calculated that that amount of money that he could he could secret away in that organization could not be a hatched by her with the alimony. Yeah, that's that's correct. And what's also interesting is her alimony counterclaim filing also says that Barber is employed by Yale University and earns approximately two hundred k per year from that. So he's got that plus the two hudred and twenty four k from Repairs of the Preacher. Who knows what he's pulling in from the poor People's campaign. Oh, I'm sure not getting money from every angle. Yeah, yeah, it's like this. It's such a grift, it really is. And this guy, Like I have not been fooled by this guy from the moment he came on the scene. He's got a facial expression that when I see him do interviews and talk to like the Capitol police when they were having their confrontations, Like I just like the look on his face, it screams to me, I know, I am lying. I know this is theater, this is a performance. Are you buying it? Is anybody buying it? He's just got this look about him that he doesn't believe what he's saying. And I mean, look, divorce is sad. I understand that, and like that's I don't wish any ill will on him or his wife going through this nasty divorce. But on the other hand, like if you were using nonprofit money to pay off your alimony, like. That's not appropriate at all. And yeah, probably illegal, So I'm not And she has not alleged that yet. She hasn't said there's no there's no accusations of illegal activity at this point. But she just doesn't seem suspect, you know. And I bet she's probably regretting having gotten arrested in twenty seventeen alongside her husband and one of their daughters, also named Rebecca, but with a different spelling. Yeah, during one of the protests at the legislature. And I've got that muge shot at the end of the article there because well, you know, why not I had it all right? Why not? Let me real quick? I got about a minute and a half. But I do want to make mention of this. There's a SAM memo. I had not heard this, but the code name is SAM and it stands for Speaking with American Men. So I think it should be called the SWAM. But whatever, speaking with American men a strategic plan? What is the SAM? Well? The New York Times dropped this story earlier in the week or over the weekend, and basically it's a twenty million dollar effort by Democrats to there. It outlines how they need to learn how to invest in quote the study the syntax and language and content that gains attention and virality in these spaces. And by these spaces they mean mail voters. And the Times article also says it recommends buying advertisements and video games, among other things. WHOA wait a minute, So you're going to try to reach men by advertising in video games? Do many even play video games? Are we aware of the US. Huge portions of the male vote from ages you know, eighteen all the way up into the fifties. Yeah, so that was a big deal. So I mean, you know, as I say in the article, they're spending twenty million dollars to study American men like Jane Goodall study gorillas. You know, there you go. Have they considered more cursing. Maybe that mix in some cursing, lots and lots of cussing. I think something like that. Yeah, you know. It also reminds me of Data Lash's twenty sixteen book. The title of that was Flyover Nation. You can't run a country you've never been to. Yeah, and I would say that the Democrats have never been to their local local municipalities or to see their voters, to see what a real man looks like. I guess, are you saying Tim Walls didn't check that box? Come now? Nope, right, Ap Dylan, always enjoy it. I appreciate your flexibility on the date change here, but we'll talk with you next Monday. Absolutely, take care now, all right, thank you. That's Ap Dylan from More to the story. That's her substack. You can subscribe to that. And also she's a reporter for the North State Journal. Reader work at nsjonline dot com. All right, So spring is here a time of renewal and celebrations. You've got graduations, weddings, anniversaries and especial days for mom and dad. Your family's making memories that are going to last a lifetime. But let me ask you are all of those treasured moments from days gone by? Are they hidden away on old VCR tapes, eight millimeter films, photos slides? Are they preserved? 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And above all, we must shift from a moralizing tone. Well, then you'll have no tone at all. Let's think this through people. Same New York Times story one Democratic rocking. This is from Fox News. One Democratic researcher as roughly two hundred and fifty swing voters to compare the two parties to animals. Voters equated Democrats to tortoises, slugs, and sloths. They viewed Republicans as apex predators, like lions, tigers, sharks. Now, the report goes on to say that voters are hungry for people to actually stand up for them, and recent polls obviously back that up. All right, so that's not a great that's not a great result for Democrats to be known as the party of slugs, okay, and sloths because they're not moving, they're not doing stuff or whatever. They're lazy or something. I don't know. But the New York Times headline how Donald Trump has remade America's political landscape. The Democrats' problems run deep nearly everywhere. Trump's victory in twenty four was not an outlier. It was the culmination of continuous gains by Republicans in much of the country each time he has run for president, a sea of red that amounts to a flashing warning signed for a Democrat party out of power and hoping for a comeback. The steady march to the right at the county level reveals not just the extent of the nation's transformation in the Trump era, but also the degree to which the United States now resembles two countries charging in opposite directions. Trump has reordered America's political divide both geographically and demographically. Republicans are overwhelmingly making gains and working class counties. Democrats are improving almost exclusively in wealthier areas. It is the same story by education. Republicans are running up the score in counties where fewer people have attended college, and Democrats are gaining ground in a small sliver of the best educated enclaves. I use I put air quotes around best educated because it's just credentialing. You're not actually really educated on a lot of stuff. I mean, yes, they do teach you some things like how to assemble the funnel for the keg parties like that stuff, but that doesn't make you the best educated. You have just. Learned other things that will probably not be useful. Ever, again, it's a credentialing service. Now. So Democrats have steadily expanded their vote share in they call it triple trending these three election cycles, three of the presidential election cycles, so twenty four, twenty and sixteen. So a triple trending county is one that keeps going and you know, it's trending the same way, keeps going the same direction, more and more and more. And so when you look at these counties, it shows that, Okay, Democrats have been steadily expanding their vote share in the last three elections in fifty seven counties. Wow, fifty seven counties. Democrats have fifty seven triple trending counties. That's impressive, right, Yeah, except there are over three thousand counties in America, So in three thousand counties, they only have triple trending fifty seven of them. By comparison, Donald Trump and the Republican Party they have over fourteen hundred triple trenders or triple trending counties. Trump has steadily gained steam across a broad swath of the nation, with swelling support not just in white working class communities, but also in counties with sizable Black and Hispanic populations. Counties that have become steadily more Republican exist in some of the country's bluest strongholds, including New York City, Philadelphia, and Honolulu. Mister Trump's party is still losing in those places. To be sure. Okay, Republicans are not winning New York City, but they're not losing by as much. That's the key. This is why, like Mecklenburg County right controlled by Democrats, but it is so important for Republicans to vote in Mecklinburg County even if you're not going to win any of your municipal races, City of Charlotte races, whatever. Even if you can't win those races, the statewide impact matters because there are a lot of Republican voters in Mecklenburg County. At the same time, Trump has driven Republican margins to dizzying new heights in the nation's reddest bastions. Taken together, the findings represent a blaring alarm for a Democrat party that long saw itself as championing the working class and that staked its future on the belief that the nation would become steadily more diverse and better educated well it did, right, we have become more diverse, right yeah, and better educated. Again with the air quotes, I'm assuming that's you know, more people with college degrees. That's occurred too. So why would the Democrat Party be incorrect in staking its future on this belief? Because they assumed that if you had the college degree and if you were not white, that you were automatically theirs. See, Democrats left behind a lot of their constituents, a lot of their voters. The Democrat Party left them. And you see it in all of these breakdowns, all of these autopsies. I went over a good number of in the first hour or two, but this one on the triple trending counties, this is catastrophic for Democrats. Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of Asheville is your connection. Whether you're celebrating an anniversary, a honeymoon, maybe you want to plan a memorable proposal, or get family and friends together for a big old reunion. Cabins of Asheville has the ideal spot for you where you can reconnect with your loved ones and the things that truly matter. 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Obama versus Romney, Right, So they had an average improved margin of just under nine percentage points. Four hundred thirty five counties voted more Democrat Okay, two than six hundred and seventy eight counties became more Republican in the same timeframe by an average of over thirteen percentage points. That's six times as many counties moving towards the GOP then towards the Democrat Party, and by a substantially wider margin. The erosion of working class support among black, white Latino voters alike has unnerved every ideological wing of the Democrat Party. Ben Toultchen, a polster who worked on Senator Bernie Sanders's presidential campaigns, so you know he knows what he's doing, said, the old political calculations for how Democrats can win elections are now obsolete. Quote, the math doesn't work. For years, the belief was Democrats have had demographic destiny on our side. Now the inverse is true. It really is amazing, Like this whole great replacement theory. This is what when they when they're saying demographic destiny, that's what they're talking about. This was understood in a non controversial way for like twenty years. Richard Florida. I think it is his name. He's the one that talked about like demographics destiny, and Democrats thought, if we can just you know, hold on for a little bit longer, eventually all the white people will die off and will be more diverse, and more people will have you know, college degrees, and then we win forever, yeah, us, you know, and then we can fundamentally transform the country into whatever socialist hellhole they want. That was their theory that they now claim the right wingers are catastrophizing over and trying to scare white people and getting old racisty and stuff with this theory. That was your theory. It wasn't even a theory, this was your strategy. This was your. Stated plan of attack. But now the inverse is true. Oh you hate to see it, huh. Some Democrats hope that this is only a phenomenon of the Trump era, and that GOP gains will evaporate once the president is no longer on the ballot, as was the case when Democrats fared surprisingly well in the twenty twenty two midterm election and in many recent special elections. You've heard this as well. This is a concern of mine too. But Chris Caffinis, a Democratic strategist, warned such optimism was misplaced. He says, quote Trump is the symptom, not the disease. The disease is the fact that you have lost touch with a whole swath of voters that used to consistently vote Democrat. Wait, maybe it's the messaging, guys, maybe it's not the messaging. We've heard your messages. They've come through loud and clear. We just disagree. Representative Jared Golden of Maine, he is in a district that is actually very reliably pro Trump, but he still wins and he's a Democrat. What does he say, Quote, there is a political realignment afoot. We see working class voters, regardless of where they come from, what their identity is other than their working class status, shifting to the Republican Party. He blamed a party leadership that is out of touch with the daily concerns of voters. Yeah. See, this is the problem when you create this party for the benefit of only the elites, because they've got the credential from the elite institutions, colleges. They call this the diploma divide. Well, you cannot be surprised when you look around and your party is now only comprised of those people, right, this was your This was what you guys built, what you planned on. So and then, of course, the one thing you always learn about Democrats and their coalitions is that they will toss any one of their member coalition coalition members rather any one of them under the bus. Like the perfect example right now is women. Yeah, like at some point women are going to wake up and realize, like, oh, wait a minute, we can never win trophies in athletic competitions. Again, Hey wait, I don't want to be part of you guys if you're doing that. So they'll throw them right under the bus for whatever. You know, uh, temporary benefit or agenda item that's needed. Now, black voters have been and still are the most reliable Democrat voters. But in Donald Trump's three the presidential campaigns, he has made serious inroads in heavily black counties across the Deep South and beyond. In last year's election, Republicans gained ground in one hundred ninety three of America's two hundred most predominantly black counties. Right, So, if you look at a map and you find all of the counties that are majority predominantly black, and you look at just those two hundred, Republicans gained ground in one hundred and ninety three of them, even as Vice President Kamala Harris stood to become the first black female president. The slippage is even more pronounced and profound in Latino communities, which is so weird because I was informed that Donald Trump hates Latinos. Of the sixty seven counties in America with a majority Hispani population, sixty six of them voted more Republican in twenty four than they did in twenty twelve. So again, they're not saying this data is not saying that Trump carried the counties. He didn't win these counties. He may have won some of them, but he didn't win all of these counties. They've just done better. They're chipping away. And what happens this is the preference cascade. Right once permission is granted that it's okay now to vote for Trump and to do the silly dance right like he did with the hands whatever like. Once the permission is granted, then the preference cascade accelerates. Even more arresting is that the average swing toward the GOP in those sixty six Hispanic majority counties. The swing was twenty three points. That is a political earthquake, twenty three point swing. Trump improved his results in each of his three presidential runs in about two thirds of majority Hispanic counties Democrats. They have steadily improved their share of the vote in none, not a single county in America where Latinos account for a third or more of the population. Not one. Just nine counties voted more Democrat in each of the presidential elections since twenty twelve. Nine got more Democrat. Six of them are around Atlanta. The six of the nine are around Atlanta, the other Indianapolis, suburbs of Indianapolis, Kansas City, and the little neighborhood in New Mexico right where everybody that works at Los Alamos National Laboratory works. That's it. Those are the nine nine counties that voted more Democrat in each of the presidential elections since twenty twelve. It's just not happening. Now. How many shifted towards the Republicans in those three presidential elections a little bit more than nine. It was five hundred and thirty five by at least twenty five percentage points. This is oh yeah, you hate to see it, all. Right, If you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, and I know you do too. And you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with ground News. It's an app and it's a website and it combines news from around the world in one place so you can compare coverage and verify information. You can check it out at check dot ground, dot news, slash pete. I put the link in the podcast description too. I started using ground News a few months ago and more recently chose to work with them as an EE because it lets me see clearly how stories get covered and by whom. The blind spot feature shows you which stories get ignored by the left and the right. See for yourself. Check dot ground, dot news, slash pete. Subscribe through that link and you'll get fifteen percent off any subscription. I use the Vantage plan to get unlimited access to every feature. Your subscription then not only helps my podcast, but it also supports ground News as they make the media landscape more transparent. The new York Times headline how Donald Trump has remade America's political landscape, and the data and the graphs that they've gotten here, it's just devastating for Democrats. And I am here for it. I am so here for it. The majority of Americans now believe that the Republican Party best represents the interests of the working class and the poor. You know who said that, Ken Martin. Do you know who Ken Martin is. He's the chairman of the DNC. When the chairman of the DNC says that they're GOP, at least the majority of Americans believe it that the GOP best represents the interests of the working class and the poor. Like if you take if you take the poor out of the Democrat coalition, like they're basically left with like government and college employees. Right, that's it. Bell teachers a lot of teachers too, but not all, not all. He took over as chairman of the DNC last year. He says, the Democrat Party is the party of the wealthy and the elites. That's what people believe. He is exactly right. And you know why, there's a logical reason for. All of this. It's because it is they've made it very clear. Let me go to the end here. This may sound crazy to you, This is all I'm gonna tell you who said this. I'm gonna just read the quote first and then I'm gonna tell you who said it for this piece. Okay, quote, This may sound crazy to you. Maybe this had to happen for the Democratic Party to wake up and stop taking people for granted based on the color of their skin, or their country of national origin, or where they live in the state. If we don't do that, we will continue to lose, said betto O'Rourke. The guy, he says, trust me, I know how to lose. This is the guy who ran unsuccessfully for Congress or for for president and the Senate in Texas. Remember, everybody was like, Oh, he's gonna be Cruise. We love us some Beto. His name is Robert. His name is Robert oh rourke. And he he claimed to have been called Beto by an uncle or something, and that's always been my nickname is Beto or Rourke. Uh huh Okay. So he says that the Democrat Party has to stop taking people for granted based on the color of their skins. Says Beto Okay, he's a white dude. Uh. And then there's a Richie Torres Democrat from the Bronx. Also, by the way, Bronx saw lots of movement towards Trump too. Very oddly counties that have shifted three times these the triple trenders. Triple trending counties not only far upstate counties like in New York, like Saint Lawrence and Lewis County, but also some of the nation's most diverse areas like the Bronx Queens and Brooklyn. Richie Torres, Democrat from the Bronx, says, quote, we could be entering a world where the greatest predictor of voting behavior is no longer race. Oh my goodness, that would be so amazing. Donald Trump's greatest achievement, his greatest electoral achievement, lies not in breaking the blue wall in the industrial Midwest, but in beginning to break the blue walls in states like New York and in counties like the Bronx. But mister Torres is not yet ready to predict his party's doom. He says, I'm convinced that Donald Trump is a singular phenomenon in American history. I am unconvinced that his appeal is necessarily transferable to the Republican party writ large. That remains to be seen. Yeah, that remains to be seen. This is all unknown. That's the thing about realignments. You know, you don't know how exactly it's all going to shake out. And is it all, you know, a cult of personality around him. If Republicans cannot institutionalize, codify the stuff that is important to the people that voted for Trump, they will lose them. They will be up for grabs again, unless, of course, Democrats keep staying as crazy as they are. Let me see, you're best educated. Yeah, I don't see. I don't like this term that they use in polling. You know, sometimes you'll see it non college educated, but I don't. I don't like it because just because you went to college doesn't mean you actually got educated. And maybe you learn things while you were there. Are they practical? Can you apply them in your real life? Right? Were you brainwashed? While they're stands as at this point, the best educated are the byproduct of being radicalized by our K twelve and higher education institutions. That's the only way the Greta Thunbergs of the world can be created. Yeah, yeah, so I don't like the term, but I don't know, you know, college degree maybe say that, but it's just it's yeah, because again, people get out of high school, they go to work, and the stuff that the skills that they amass over the course of their lives, they are no less educated on all of these other things. They're just educate on different things. So a couple of emails regarding the police chief story too, John said, when most people retire they get their retirement pay. Only top government employees get these several hundred thousand dollars separation packages in addition to their retireronment pay. Yeah, it's just it's offensive. All of this stuff is offensive. It was like the longevity pay that they would pay people. Oh, congratulations, you didn't get fired from your government job, so you've been here forty years, so we'll pay you extra, like okay. Mike says, I've never once seen a severance agreement without a non disparagement clause, have you? I have not. If there is one, was it violated? There is a non disparagement clause in the agreement with Jennings. I do not believe that it was violated. I don't know anybody that violated it, so yeah, there's that. All right. That'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. You can also become a patron at my Patreon page or go to dpetecallanershow dot com. Again, thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.