Destabilizing the academy and the church (05-02-2024--Hour3)

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[00:00:31] I have Chris on the line actually.

[00:00:33] Let me start off with Chris.

[00:00:35] He's been hanging on for for a bit.

[00:00:37] Chris, welcome to the program.

[00:00:38] Can you hear me okay?

[00:00:39] I can hear you.

[00:00:40] Can you hear me?

[00:00:41] Yes sir, I can and I certainly appreciate you taking my call.

[00:00:44] Yes sir.

[00:00:45] First time caller.

[00:00:46] Welcome.

[00:00:47] I appreciate everything that you do and I'm just calling because it infuriates

[00:00:51] me that I've had enough of all of us referring to these things as protests and these

[00:00:57] sewage involved as protesters.

[00:01:01] The first amendment has disqualified all of that, the peaceful protest piece and I just

[00:01:07] think that these people are monsters and terrorists and what they're involved in are Donnie Brooks

[00:01:13] and I just want to get your thoughts on that because I need to keep hearing this

[00:01:15] protester and protest it doesn't apply any longer and I'm going to hang up and

[00:01:21] I appreciate your comments.

[00:01:22] Thank you.

[00:01:23] You don't have to hang up Chris because we'll go back and forth.

[00:01:25] I have a conversation about it because so I understand your point and I think and I had

[00:01:29] a guest on, I think it was last week and I think he thought it was going to be more

[00:01:33] of a friendly interview with me because but he started making these, he started like

[00:01:39] saying oh you know all conservatives they're saying that these are you know calling

[00:01:43] these all riots and this and that and I said well I think you know we need to

[00:01:46] define the form of the protest that we're talking about right because I think you would

[00:01:52] probably agree that you know people just like walking around chanting carrying signs

[00:01:57] right you like you show up at noon you walk around the block or whatever you stand out

[00:02:01] in a public square and you're chanting some slogans that's a protest I think right and

[00:02:07] that's right I would say I have no problem with that I mean I'd agree with the protesters

[00:02:11] what they're saying and they're messaging and all but that's a protest.

[00:02:15] What we, that's one form of it right now I think to your point right when you're

[00:02:19] crossing over into like these human chains where they're preventing Jews from

[00:02:24] accessing a school building right or setting up campsites and stuff violating

[00:02:29] the rules they're taking over buildings and locking themselves in like that kind

[00:02:33] of stuff you've now gone beyond that's that that is that is beyond protest so

[00:02:38] is there a okay is there a word then that you would that you would use

[00:02:43] well you said Donnie Brook and so was it not just an uproar or a riot and

[00:02:49] I guess my question in return would be at what point do we say okay this is no

[00:02:55] longer a peaceful protest is it when they get up in the faces and that could for

[00:02:59] me that violates its filing personal space when you're screaming directly at

[00:03:03] somebody that's not a peaceful protest any longer.

[00:03:06] Well I think if it's how about this because I'm all about solutions so how

[00:03:13] about if I'm close enough let's say I'm the protester and you're just

[00:03:18] you know walking down the street if I get close enough to you and I'm screaming

[00:03:21] and I'm close enough where some spittle flies out of my mouth and and could hit

[00:03:26] you not that it has to but it could like if you're within that zone like that's

[00:03:30] mm-hmm that's that's a costing that's because people think assaulting means

[00:03:34] you have to touch somebody and that's not true I don't have to touch you to

[00:03:37] assault you. Right so I could just like jump at you and that would be

[00:03:41] assault as well so to your point like yes I think there is you know the old

[00:03:46] adage was you know your rights begin where my where my nose begin ends or

[00:03:51] something like yeah right like you can't punch somebody right you can't make

[00:03:54] contact with them but I think that there is something else though when

[00:03:58] you're preventing people from getting to their like walking down the sidewalk

[00:04:03] and you're preventing somebody from gaining access to a building on a

[00:04:06] public university campus in which they were enrolled I think that is a

[00:04:10] different kind of a thing.

[00:04:12] Okay yeah well I'm just uh if they if someone is violating my personal space

[00:04:18] and they're screaming and these things I just uh that the peaceful part is gone

[00:04:25] correct yeah right so and you know I'm sorry no I was gonna say what what

[00:04:30] you're describing is what we've kind of been going over for the last few weeks

[00:04:33] in different different episodes of these are destabilizers you always

[00:04:38] keep this in mind these are destabilizers that is their training that's

[00:04:43] their their reason for existing is their purpose their special purpose if you

[00:04:48] will and they a lot of them don't know it and a lot of them are not aware that

[00:04:52] once if their movement is successful then the Marxist regime that would take

[00:04:58] over would have no use for them any longer because they don't want

[00:05:01] destabilizers and if you're trained to be a destabilizer you don't know

[00:05:06] anything else and that's what these kids a lot of these kids and young adults

[00:05:09] that's what they've been trained in and that's all they know so that's what

[00:05:12] they are doing so these are destabilizers agents of destabilization yeah yeah

[00:05:18] I agree with you and I certainly appreciate the conversation I just had to

[00:05:21] get that off my chest now I hear you Chris I appreciate the call man thank

[00:05:25] mr. Hunter thank you sir take care yeah that is what they are is

[00:05:30] destabilizers I don't know and and useful idiots I should throw that

[00:05:35] into sorry useful idiots as well they're the ones that are just there and they

[00:05:40] got their you know free kaffee when they checked in or whatever when they

[00:05:44] signed up to shoot it to be at the the at the protest encampment and so they

[00:05:50] got their little scarf and I saw like now there's a whole bunch of memes that

[00:05:56] are that are taking off with all of these you know young white college

[00:05:59] girls wearing their kaffee is you know giving them like ratings like they

[00:06:04] do on tiktok and and Instagram you know or the Graham as the kids say you

[00:06:12] know super fast delivery great accessory would engage in jihad you know

[00:06:18] stuff like that useful idiots all right I got a couple of messages here let me

[00:06:26] do this too Dan says it never ceases to amaze me when I hear or read of a 40

[00:06:34] something Starbucks barista who's mired in six digits of student loan debt

[00:06:37] incurred during his acquisition of a doctorate degree in Kazakhstan art

[00:06:41] history it's also entertaining to see how often individuals like that are

[00:06:44] angry at the world because the best gig they can get is making or whipping up

[00:06:48] caramel nut half-calf sugar-free maple macchiatoes at the local Joe joint

[00:06:54] you'd think they'd eventually figure it out wouldn't you they also seem

[00:06:57] baffled to hear southern folks say well bless his heart right well and

[00:07:02] this is I try to have some some sympathy these kids have grown up in a

[00:07:09] completely different time they've been taught this stuff these kids these

[00:07:16] agitators destabilizers and useful idiots that is the Lenin term by the

[00:07:20] way that's that's Vladimir Lenin's term I'm just quoting their their

[00:07:25] religious authorities back to them I feel bad for them sometimes most times

[00:07:36] because they they know not what they do this is all they know they've been

[00:07:40] sold a particular narrative this is what you should do this is how you make

[00:07:44] a difference their board right they spend what a quarter of the their waking

[00:07:52] maybe a half of their waking hours doom scrolling on Instagram the feed that

[00:07:57] never ends and and is always communicating and conveying to you

[00:08:02] that your life stinks compared to everybody else's on on the platform

[00:08:06] right and this is how you get salvation from critical theory you were born in

[00:08:13] a certain skin and so you're automatically a bad person and so this

[00:08:19] is how you buy your indulgence look my view on this is Marxism is a

[00:08:24] religion right and if you I mean from like honestly like and I don't talk

[00:08:30] a lot about like the theology of this stuff but it is in my view a religion

[00:08:38] and honestly if you were Satan and you wanted to make a philosophy make a

[00:08:42] religion would you make one that looks very different than this seriously

[00:08:47] right constantly pitting everybody against each other it's just born of

[00:08:52] envy all of it right Frank says they should donate all of the tents in

[00:08:58] plywood that the useful idiot protesters were provided with to habitat for

[00:09:03] humanity I like it they could they could actually build houses with this stuff

[00:09:08] actually help people let me see here looking through my emails Ian says please

[00:09:18] use your blowtorch to suggest that the brohemians spend a packet on a huge

[00:09:24] party and then donate the rest to tunnels to tower tunnel tunnel two

[00:09:28] towers I put the yes on the wrong word tunnel to towers yeah so I'm I got

[00:09:33] another message from Josh where was it

[00:09:39] piecapify fraternity has a charity that I expect we'll get the money it's

[00:09:43] called the ability experience promotes the abilities of all people and works to

[00:09:48] eliminate the labels that unfairly define us especially those living with

[00:09:52] disabilities so yeah like I said people don't know this about fraternities

[00:09:57] but and I was in one at Winthrop the Kappa Sigma fraternity and they do a

[00:10:06] lot of volunteer work a lot of charity work and so I ex I expected the

[00:10:14] piecapify fraternity up at Chapel Hill although now I understand there are

[00:10:17] other there were other brothers from other fraternities that also were

[00:10:22] there too it wasn't just the piecapify chapter so they I'm sure they've got

[00:10:28] charities that they are going to look to help out although I don't know what

[00:10:31] the go fund me rules are for that do you have to spend all the money on the

[00:10:35] party or can you turn around and pass it through and while in the one hand

[00:10:39] like I could totally see why that would be allowed I can also understand

[00:10:42] why it would not be because people made a donation to you know you for

[00:10:48] this thing and then you turn around and donated to a charity that they

[00:10:52] disagree with you know so I yes I don't know how it's going to work

[00:11:01] the go fund me right so the go fund me was over it was over 400000 by the way

[00:11:07] the go fund me for the law enforcement officers I think I saw yeah here it

[00:11:14] is this morning on the Vince Coakley show they were talking about the excess

[00:11:20] funds in the go fund me page for the fraternity somebody called in and

[00:11:24] suggested that the fraternity set up a scholarship fund for the children of

[00:11:27] the slain law enforcement officers I thought that was an excellent idea

[00:11:31] again I don't know what the restrictions are on the money that is

[00:11:34] raised through through go fund me but the one to assist the CMPD officer

[00:11:41] the US Marshall and the the two state department of adult corrections

[00:11:48] officers they were all part of this task force and let me double check here

[00:11:53] there now at 141,000 they have a $250,000 goal so yeah it'd be nice if that

[00:11:59] fund would be larger than the fund for the Chapel Hill fraternity brothers

[00:12:07] which is twice that amount more than twice that amount but on the other

[00:12:09] hand there are other fundraising efforts underway for example the

[00:12:15] Charlotte Mecklenburg police foundation CMPF and you know they're

[00:12:21] partnered up with Hood Hargit breakfast club we've talked about that so there

[00:12:26] are there are different avenues that these donations are coming in through and

[00:12:30] so I hope that there's more money being raised through all of the

[00:12:34] different avenues let me see here don't care what okay so this is from

[00:12:45] Richard don't care what side of the aisle you are on think why is it the

[00:12:52] left calls for defunding the police defund law enforcement then when a

[00:12:55] tragic event occurs pure evil the left is the first in line for a photo op

[00:13:00] and how sad they are their prayers are with the family why are their

[00:13:03] prayers not for law enforcement every day for the protection we get why will

[00:13:07] they not give them the tools to do their job and put these evil people away

[00:13:10] and not on the street right well Richard they have that I mean they have

[00:13:17] different ideas on policy and culture they disagree right it's not was it

[00:13:28] Dennis Prager talks about he doesn't need agreement but he does want clarity

[00:13:34] right he it's he doesn't expect agreement from everybody but clarity that

[00:13:39] should be the goal so you know like okay we disagree and that's why you'll hear

[00:13:43] me point this out too if I'm having an argument or a discussion with somebody

[00:13:46] and they keep saying you know their position and I will tell them I

[00:13:51] understand what you are saying I understand your position I disagree

[00:13:55] do you understand that I disagree and a lot of times people don't know what to

[00:13:58] do with this because it if you can't like you're trying to

[00:14:02] convince me of something that I don't agree with you so you're not going to

[00:14:05] convince me now we can have a discussion about the policy and then

[00:14:08] it doesn't have to resort to ad hominem attacks personal attacks right

[00:14:11] you could just have a disagreement over the policy

[00:14:13] which people on the left have disagreements on these policies

[00:14:16] because they have different experiences they have different ideas and all

[00:14:20] this and that informs their decisions to make you know to pick the wrong

[00:14:24] policies to support I kid I kid but not really

[00:14:30] um all right so last hour I think it was last hour we got a call from a fella

[00:14:36] named David if I recall correctly asking whatever will all the

[00:14:39] Methodists do with all of their Bibles and that's a good

[00:14:44] question because I'm not sure I'm not sure what but look I'm not a

[00:14:48] Methodist but I took interest in the story about what's going on in the

[00:14:53] Methodist Church um some of my best friends are Methodists

[00:14:58] uh so my wife grew up as a Methodist and I was aware that her local church

[00:15:04] here in Charlotte was going through uh it was it was going through

[00:15:10] turmoil and they had uh they based the the church basically split

[00:15:15] and some of it got nasty among the the members of the congregation

[00:15:23] and this is another example of the long march through the institution

[00:15:30] um institutions right whether it's college campuses or it's media

[00:15:37] or movies music church churches are also educational establishments right and so

[00:15:48] the destabilization effort is to get into the churches rather than start your

[00:15:55] own church with your own interpretations right to have your own ideas

[00:16:00] about what the bible teaches what it says you can and cannot do and

[00:16:05] you know what the priests and preachers and ministers are allowed to do and not

[00:16:10] allowed to do and all that rather than do your own thing or go to a church

[00:16:14] that adheres to the things that you want it to adhere to rather than do that

[00:16:20] the effort in the United Methodist Church has been

[00:16:25] to disobey their internal rules break all of the rules along the way these

[00:16:29] progressives break all of the rules along the way and suffer no

[00:16:33] consequences and then destabilize the institution to the point where the people

[00:16:37] that are more interested in preserving the institution and all of the

[00:16:42] the benefits of that structure right think leadership you know

[00:16:46] they want to keep the umc structure in place because it provides them with

[00:16:53] fill in the blank whether it's a paycheck or

[00:16:57] it's a pension it's um some uh i don't want to say fame but you know notoriety

[00:17:07] it gives you a sense of purpose or whatever like the the institution of

[00:17:11] the church and so you're willing to make all of these

[00:17:16] uh yeah you're you're willing to you're willing to give up all of these

[00:17:21] different uh why i'm drawing a blank on the word

[00:17:24] it's uh not acqui no not acquires

[00:17:29] you're giving up a bunch of the stuff that you say you believe in in order to

[00:17:32] get a deal that lets you stay in power over the structure that you love the

[00:17:37] institution that you love and the institution has to change

[00:17:42] but that's okay because you're more in love with the institution

[00:17:46] right and so they're not going to fight too hard

[00:17:50] and as long as there was a conservative kind of uh contingent in the united

[00:17:55] Methodist church that fought against the destabilizing agents

[00:18:01] the church couldn't change wouldn't change and then

[00:18:09] the uh the progressive wing right they eventually win the day they won the

[00:18:16] day conservatives started leaving they're like if

[00:18:20] you're not going to enforce the rules against these churches that are breaking

[00:18:24] the rules then what's the point of being affiliated with this

[00:18:28] institution you're changing what is and is not acceptable and so now the

[00:18:32] united Methodist church after having run out thousands of uh

[00:18:38] churches and tens of thousands of members oh and also basically you know

[00:18:45] told the african churches don't worry all of this stuff that we're doing

[00:18:49] doesn't apply to you in order to

[00:18:53] you know in order to placate the african churches because they're way more

[00:18:56] conservative than even the american churches i think like they're very

[00:18:59] conservative so they uh they're playing along i guess with

[00:19:03] this game that you're going to feed the alligator in the hopes that it eats

[00:19:05] you less but make no mistake the uh the destabilizing agents have won

[00:19:11] the day in the united Methodist church and and it will not be the same

[00:19:15] church ever again it'll start it it has already begun splintering apart

[00:19:20] so all of this is because for the last two weeks the united Methodists from all

[00:19:26] over the world have come to charlotte for their conference i did a couple of uh

[00:19:31] i covered this but two weeks ago when they first were arriving

[00:19:35] and they have now agreed to and this was everybody knew this was coming it

[00:19:38] was a fate of complete like they it was all lined up as such

[00:19:42] some people would say rigged um and that was what the regionalization

[00:19:47] vote was about was to say okay africa you guys you know

[00:19:51] you adhere to your own interpretations down there

[00:19:54] and and this is what's sort of odd about the whole situation is that you had all

[00:19:59] of these rules but now you're saying okay we're changing these rules

[00:20:02] but is there a different interpretation of the biblical teachings so were you

[00:20:06] wrong all this time i guess so right

[00:20:11] the united Methodist delegates repealed their church's long-standing ban on

[00:20:15] lgbtq clergy with no debate yesterday removing a rule that forbids

[00:20:22] self-avowed practicing homosexuals from being ordained or appointed as ministers

[00:20:28] so that was the rule but the rule was violated

[00:20:36] because that's what destabilizers do right

[00:20:40] and they won't they don't think of themselves in these terms in these

[00:20:43] marxian terms of a destabilizer right they see themselves as progressive

[00:20:48] love is love right we're living our true self

[00:20:52] we're all children of god it's probably you know got a whole bunch of

[00:20:56] themes of religiosity and you know biblical quotations and stuff all

[00:21:01] worked in there and i'm not here to debate all all that stuff the united

[00:21:03] Methodist can do whatever they want to do i'm just pointing out that they've

[00:21:07] been attempting to get this done inside that church

[00:21:10] for a very very long time they've been trying the progressives have been

[00:21:13] trying to take over the church because this is what progressives or

[00:21:16] destabilizing agents or marxists this is what they do

[00:21:22] they find an institution right that has social impact cultural impact

[00:21:28] has power in that and the Methodist church was like with the

[00:21:31] like one out of three americans were Methodist at one point

[00:21:35] very big church popular powerful and so you don't start your own church

[00:21:41] and they were given that option by the way a lot of these churches these

[00:21:44] congregations they were given that option go start your own church

[00:21:47] take your property you know just leave and do your own thing and they didn't

[00:21:50] want to do that i want your church i want your institution

[00:21:57] and they took it this week they took it because conservatives

[00:22:01] you know left the battlefield they said we're going to go start our own

[00:22:05] thing they started a lot of them started the global Methodist church

[00:22:08] but now in a sign that they are completely confident in their position

[00:22:14] and how popular it will be apparently the umc has now told all of the other

[00:22:20] churches particularly those in africa you cannot

[00:22:23] disaffiliate you can't leave because that's what you do right if

[00:22:28] you love something you lock it down and if it breaks free

[00:22:32] it was never yours i think i read that in a card once

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[00:23:28] all right united Methodist delegation uh delegates rather repealed their

[00:23:32] church's long-standing ban on lgbtq clergy no debate actually

[00:23:38] delegates voted 692 to 51 the first such legislative gathering in five years

[00:23:45] called the general conference uh the last one got delayed because of

[00:23:49] covid the uh overwhelming margin contrast sharply

[00:23:53] with the decades of controversy around the issue past general

[00:23:57] conferences of the united Methodist church had steadily reinforced the ban

[00:24:00] and related penalties amid debate and protests but many of the conservatives

[00:24:04] who had previously upheld the ban have since left the

[00:24:07] denomination in recent years so it was means that the umc has moved

[00:24:14] to the progressive side of the political spectrum at least the

[00:24:17] american part of the church and that really is the one that can that calls

[00:24:20] the shots they control a lot of this stuff

[00:24:22] um but what the associated press article leaves out is the reason why

[00:24:27] the conservative churches left and they left because

[00:24:30] there were rules that were in place in the books and

[00:24:33] they were not being followed right because these disruptors these

[00:24:41] destabilizers these tactics of uh of these folks

[00:24:45] they don't work if you hold them to the consequences of their actions

[00:24:52] right the only reason we allow this stuff to occur is because

[00:24:56] we allow it to occur that's it and it will keep happening

[00:25:01] the change doesn't mandate or even explicitly affirm lgbtq clergy but it

[00:25:06] means the church no longer forbids it it's possible

[00:25:09] that the change will mainly apply to us churches since united Methodist bodies

[00:25:12] in other countries such as Africa have the right to impose the rules

[00:25:16] on uh for their own regions that was the regionalization thing that they

[00:25:19] had to do first otherwise the africans were going to be like

[00:25:23] we're out so i guess the african bibles are going to read a little different i'm

[00:25:27] not really sure on that but it seems like such a simple vote but it

[00:25:31] carried so much weight and power as 50 years of restricting the holy

[00:25:35] spirit's call on people's lives has been lifted said bishop

[00:25:39] Karen Oliveto the first openly lesbian bishop in the

[00:25:43] umc well how is that possible how do you get an

[00:25:48] openly lesbian bishop when that was prohibited right

[00:25:53] because they transgressed your rules and then they dared you to enforce it

[00:25:57] and rather than enforce the rules and anger anybody

[00:26:01] we don't want to lose anybody we got to do this because we got to get the kids

[00:26:05] we want to you know do like rock concerts and get the kiddies involved

[00:26:09] and that's how we're going to grow the church and all that

[00:26:12] and as pastor Jeffrey Rickman pointed out how's the uh pc usa doing

[00:26:22] right since they're split right this is in the Lutheran same thing right all of

[00:26:27] these denominations this stuff has been happening because this is what

[00:26:30] destabilizing agents do this is the long march to the institution they don't

[00:26:34] want to start their own churches they're going to come into yours and

[00:26:37] they're going to break yours apart they're going to take control of the

[00:26:40] husk of it and what does that mean it means that they are trading on the good

[00:26:45] will and the historical success of your institution

[00:26:49] that's what they're doing people over generations

[00:26:54] literally built churches built the buildings donated the artwork right

[00:26:59] they built this um these institutions up with their time with their

[00:27:03] treasure and all of that

[00:27:08] structure that infrastructure has now been taken over and that is what

[00:27:15] the left has done in the academy right they've done it in the colleges

[00:27:20] right these institutions that have been built up over hundreds of years

[00:27:24] and the leftists take over and all of a sudden tear down all the statues

[00:27:28] right get rid of everything put up junk and call it art

[00:27:31] right and turn out more destabilizers

[00:27:35] right that's why for example the the cultural revolution in Mao's China

[00:27:39] that's why it started on college campuses useful idiots tons of them there

[00:27:45] skulls of mush looking to be trained so they feel like they have a purpose

[00:27:50] also approved at the umc was a measure that forbids district superintendents

[00:27:54] or regional administrators from penalizing clergy

[00:27:58] for either performing a same-sex wedding or from refraining

[00:28:02] from performing one so they're taking a neutral position for now by the way for

[00:28:06] now all of this is just for now because there is no limiting

[00:28:10] principle here the left never stops that's why their

[00:28:15] slogan is always forward that's why they call themselves

[00:28:19] quote progressive it's always about transgressing more and

[00:28:23] more and more pushing more and more constantly on the march

[00:28:29] um let's see or what else here this from the ap delegates are also expected to

[00:28:34] vote on whether to replace the denominations official social

[00:28:37] principles with a new document that no longer calls

[00:28:41] quote the practice of homosexuality incompatible with christian teaching

[00:28:44] so they're just going to scrap that rule uh and now defines marriage as

[00:28:48] between quote two people of faith

[00:28:52] that's it two people of faith which i find to be discriminatory

[00:28:59] how dare you who are you to say that i have to have faith

[00:29:04] in order to get married in your church how dare you

[00:29:07] you don't know me right i'm living my truth this is my truth

[00:29:12] i identify as a united methodist church congregate

[00:29:16] that's all you need to know i shall transgress that

[00:29:22] the changes are historic and a denomination that has debated lgbtq

[00:29:26] issues for more than half a century 50 years this is the thing

[00:29:34] you do have to hand it to the leftists they really do when they when they set

[00:29:40] their mind to something they keep beating their heads against the wall

[00:29:43] they will do it for a half a century the long march is they don't call it the

[00:29:48] long march for nothing they know that this is a long term thing

[00:29:53] the conference voted formally to close the window

[00:29:57] so nobody else can jump out of it the vote follows the departure of more than

[00:30:01] 7600 american congregations that's how much they've lost

[00:30:05] their numbers are going to crater when they do the next

[00:30:09] uh their next census count of their churches and members

[00:30:12] absolutely devastating for this church and that means the drying up of money

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