Dems take advantage of Epstein schism in MAGA-land (07-15-2025--Hour3)

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This is some crap man, Okay, Like that's we need, all right? The administration needs to come clean on whatever it is that they've got. They need to just share the stuff, the stuff that they can't see now Part of the issue here is that the FBI has all of this material, all of this evidence, and you can't release this stuff for public consumption because it's porn. It's yeah with kids, so you can't release it, right, But there's a whole bunch of other stuff that you can release. And I understand now that there are people inside the administration and they just want this thing to go away. Not the least of whom is Donald Try. He got very agitated when somebody asked him about Jeffrey Epstein. And this was like a week ago. I was on vacation, so I didn't I wasn't keeping up with everything in real time, so the days all kind of mixed together. But you know, he was asked about this. I think it was one of those cabinet meetings whatever, and he got all upset, Why are you still talking about this guy? You know, he's you know, he never dies. Just you know, let it go or moving on whatever, whatever. But there's this fight also inside the administration. You've got these different camps, and you've got these personalities and people that were you know, beating this drum for years about the Epstein client list, and why don't they release the client list. I have said the same thing, and they were doing like Cash Pateel doing a podcast, Dan Bongino doing his radio show. They were saying these things. Then they get in there and then they're like, he didn't kill or he did kill himself, right, we looked at it, he killed himself. Whatever. Then they put out the video and the video isn't actually from the jail cell. Apparently there were a couple of cameras that weren't working, so they released this other video and there's like sixty seconds of the video missing. And then they come out and say, well, that's because it resets every night at the same time. It's one of these old systems or whatever, and it resets. But I don't know what to make of any of it. That's why I don't know special investigator, special counsel, put somebody, put somebody in charge, and have them put out a full report. I don't know what else to say, like because now I'm not trusting anybody's public statements because they're just all over the place. So yesterday House Republicans voted against a Democrat amendment to a landmark cryptocurrency piece of legislation that would force the Justice Department to release the Epstein files. Okay, so now you got democrats. They have seen what's going on. They are aware of the fight that is occurring inside Magaland or Megaworld. I like Magaland better. Magalan sounds like it sounds more fun, you know, almost like an amusement park. Magaland. Anyway, there's this fight going on. You got Pam Bondi, you got Cash Pateel, you got Dan Bongino, you got Tucker Carlson, you got Ben Shapiro. You got all these people, and they've all got different, you know, public statements about what's going on and who Jeffrey Epstein was in the history, and what the indictment said, and what the sweetheart deal was by the Acosta guy. Remember that guy cut the sweetheart deal for Jeffrey Epstein. Then you got some quote that was attributed to him, but he said no, not really. That was you don't believe everything you read, which wasn't really a denial. I mean, there's just. Like anybody who says they know what happened is a liar who's on the outside. Okay, unless you've actually seen And here's the thing, I don't even know if Dan Bongino's actually seen everything there is to see. I don't know if they've seen all of the files. You don't either. Nobody does. They say we reviewed it. We're telling you he did kill himself. Now we have to trust him or we have to believe that Trump and his administration are now covering up just like Joe Biden and his administration covered up. Right? Is that what we have to believe now? Is it because Donald Trump, as Elon Musk alleged that he was one of the that he was on an Epstein flighter, he was in the Epstein client list or whatever. I find it hard to believe that if he was, that the Democrats would not have released that information to keep Trump from winning. I mean, obviously, why wouldn't they. Why wouldn't they have prosecuted him for that? So I don't believe that Trump is on the client list. And I've heard reports and denials that there's even a client list. There's just like a black book of addresses and contacts of people's names and phone numbers, right, But that doesn't mean that those people were participating in the crimes that Jeffrey Epstein and Pedophile Island was running. It just means that he got their phone numbers somehow, and so you would like if you were in that book, because you, I don't know, maybe you ran a shop and you had somebody Jeffrey Epstein come in and oh, I'm going to buy something. It's custom RTAR, and so I'm going to, you know, make this thing for you and you exchange numbers or whatever. Now you're in this. Book of his, and then ten years, fifteen years down the road, this thing gets published and everybody in the book now is like accused of being a pedophile. There's a reason why the Department of Justice and even you know, state prosecutors they don't always identify everybody in their investigations when they're not the targets of the investigation. Right. You see this all the time where they will say, you know S one. They did this with Elliot Spitzer, Remember he was client number nine. They didn't identify him initially in the charging documents against What was her name? Was that Heidi flettn Was it Heidi Flies or is that California? I don't remember, but it was the prostitution operation, the sting that they ran up in New York where they got Elliot. Spitzer, the governor. So I don't That's what I mean, Like, I'm trying to I'm trying to make heads or tails of this stuff. And even from I'm listening to arguments from people inside Magaland and they are disagreeing. And then you've got to wonder, Okay, what are their incentives to promote whatever line they are trying to promote. So you have this Rules Committee meeting, House Rules Committee meeting chaired by North Carolina Congresswoman Virginia Fox, and the Democrats see this fight happening, and so now they're trying to divide Magaland. That's what they are interested in. They don't care about the pedophilia. They don't care about Jeffrey Epstein. They never did. They never paid any attention to this story. But now, oh, there is blood in the water. 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Quote from Representative Roe Kanna, the author of the Epstein measure, told Axios ahead of the vote, quote, the question with Epstein is whose side are you on? Are you on the side of the rich and powerful, or are you on the side of the people. He said, right again, they never cared one whit about. The Epstein files. Trump ran on getting them all released, and then he gets in there and now you got his administration saying now we looked at it all over, everything's fine. That said, there's nothing else there, and that's got a lot of people in Maga land upset. But not Hank Johnson, Not Hank Johnson. No, no, Hank Johnson. He is so happy. He is singing. He's singing about it. Hank Johnson, remember him, the congressman from Georgia who thought that Guam would capsize if we put too many troops on it because it's an island. Not kidding, He literally said that. Hank Johnson busted out his guitar and wrote a little diddy. Here john and coming to give you some more ear candy or perhaps an ear ache. But I'm gonna do my best off of this. Jason isbel Tune dream Sickle. It's no time by suicide, but not that you must be flying. You've been telling us you've released the file, but where are they. We're gonna alone with what's been told. We've had plenty of time. You're in control. What do you say you will withhold the stained five dream sickle on summer in a fool jumps howling at the moon, release the Eppstown file soon. The man's got range, I will say that he has like is that the voice that you would have anticipated hearing from Hank Johnson? Once again? I'm not gonna play the whole song again. It was only a minute, not even, but listen to the. Range unglessman heighten Johnson coming to give you some more ear candy or perhaps ear eight. It was a ear eight. But I'm gonna do my best off of this. Jason isbel Ton Dreamsickle. Suicide. Why did you go so high on that? He did it? Like? I feel like he got close to the notes though, so I give him credit because he's got range. I mean, so that would be gleefully I think, as Axios called it, that the Democrats are planning. To gleefully cited. Yeah. So the House Rules Committee voted no on the measure, which would have forced Attorney General Pam Bondi to publish all documents related to Epstein on a publicly accessible website. Again, remember there are documents in there that identify underage victims of human trafficking and pedophilia right statutory rate. And Democrats are like post everything, put it all online. Like whoaoa, whoa, whoa, why. Do you want all these pictures of these young girls on? I mean, I'm not ascribing motive here, I'm just asking questions. Republicans said the amendment was not pertinent to the Genius Act, which is the cryptocurrency legislation which would create the first regulatory framework for stable coins, nor was it relevant to the Defense funding bill that they were also taking up. Now, there was one Republican who voted with the Democrats, and it was Ralph Norman from South Carolina, right across the border here, crossed over and voted with the Panels for Democrats in favor of attaching the amendment. He told Axios the public's been asking for it. I think there are files. All of a sudden, not to have files is a little strange. We'll see how it plays out. I think the president will do the right thing. Jim McGovern, Democrat from Taxachusetts. He says, I want to know what the hell is in these files? Oh? He curts, So you know he's serious. Oh he's fighting so hard, right, because that's how you know. Democrats are fighting for their base. They got to take the fight to Trump. And the first way they do that is by just sprinkling in some curse words. Okay, so he did that. I want to know what the hell is in these files? This is about trust, Republicans said, trust us, vote for us, and we will release these files. Well, here we are, and they're backtracking. And he's not wrong, by the way, like they are backtracking. This from the Washington Times. House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffreys said that President Trump should be more transparent about the DOJ's investigation in this whole sordid Jeffrey Epstein matter. The New York Democrats said, mister Trump, Attorney General Pam Bondi, and high profile Maga figures have painted themselves into a corner by fanning the flames of conspiracy theories around Epstein's death and his so called client list for years, and now the chickens have come home to roost, he said, and the American people deserve to know the truth. Well wait a minute, were they just were they just painting themselves into the corner with conspiracy theories or or now the American people deserve to know the truth. See either way, Democrats win here, unless, of course, they do release all the files and a whole bunch of Democrat donors go down like I'm not sure they thought this through. Here's a great idea. 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I mean, if if this was a CIA operation, or if the or if the CIA knew and they turned a blind eye to it, and that's how he got the sweetheart deal down in Florida because he was somehow either an asset to an intelligence agency either HOURS or some other some other countries, or he had dirt on all of these powerful people. Yeah, I mean it could. Have an impact on UH taxpayer funds, absolutely, But if that's the only metric you're going by, then yeah, I mean I'd say the case is weakest from a you know, my wallet standpoint, no doubt about it. But you know, to be fair, I talk about stuff all the time that's not necessarily about your wallet. I talk about cultural issues and philosophy and politics and policy and that sort of thing. So I cannot be constrained by by simple you know, a fiscal fiscal framework here, I don't know. I tend to think that if these theories are actually true, that whether or not our government aided embedded knew of turned a blind eye to a multi year child sex trafficking operation that ensnared powerful people from all over the world. Like, I think that's an important story. So yeah, I'm going to keep covering it and hopefully we do get the we do get the some more transparency from the administration. Now that being said, there's another part of it that may not affect your tax payer or your your taxes or what you're paying or what you're getting or your wallet or whatever. It may not directly impact that, but it it very well could in an indirect way, which is, if it divides the MAGA supporters, it divides the base, which then of course leads to electoral losses for Trump and MAGA Republicans. And if they lose and they end up fighting each other, they lose, Democrats come back into power. And by the way, there are people inside MAGO world that are in fact trying to drive a wedge along with Democrats, right, because there are a lot of things that you could count as wins for Donald Trump over the last what six months now, particularly over the last three weeks. For example, we got the border closed, right, the tariffs are in place. Trade seems to be I don't know, balancing itself out right. We've got, yes, more threats of tariffs and the like. But there was also some reports about all of the tariff revue coming in. We're not going to be paying to arm all of the NATO countries. They just up their pledges. I talked about that yesterday. Blew up Iran's nuclear arms program, right, firing a bunch of people, cutting administrative positions, combating human trafficking of kids, right. So, I mean we got some wins, and so now you've got this Epstein issue because of the way it's been handled, I would submit, now you've got people that should be celebrating these wins that are now arguing with each other, and Democrats are taking full advantage of it. Again, that will redown to the disadvantage of the Republicans come the mid terms. Trump has faced. According to the Washington Times piece by Seth McLaughlin, Trump has faced stiff blowback from his usually intensely loyal magabase over the way the Department of Justice and the FBI handled the Epstein case. Democrats are seizing whoa, I did not know Democrats could seize upon things good for the Washington Times. There's no pouncing yet, but seizing. Yes, Democrats are seizing on the uproar to drive a wedge between Trump and those diehard supporters uh haw. Kim Jeffries said Trump and Bondie were either quote intentionally lying about the Epstein files for years, or they are engaging in a cover up to protect Trump, his family, his friends, and his billionaire corrupt supporters. It can only be one of those two things, which that's not true. That's a false choice. Always beware of people that give you an A or B option, like you either do this thing that I agree with and is awesome, or you're you know, you're going to do this other thing and then you're a Nazi. So always be on guard for the false choice. Okay. And that's what this is too, because people eating the Epstein's story as it unfolded over the last decade. Those people have theorized because of the lack of information that was provided in the years past. They have been theorizing, They have been promoting theories, they have been saying, I think this thing happened, I think that thing happened. I'm going to release files. I'm going to tell you what really happened. And then they get in there and maybe they did look and they were like, oh, well, you know I was wrong. It wasn't that they were intentionally lying. They were hypothesizing because they didn't have the actual files. Epstein, the financier convicted sex offender, killed himself in twenty nineteen, and there's debate about that. Did he actually kill himself or not. All right, if you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, and I know you do too, And you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with ground News. It's an app and it's a way site, and it combines news from around the world in one place so you can compare coverage and verify information. You can check it out at check dot ground, dot news slash Pete. I put the link in the podcast description too. 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Yesterday, the DOJ and Judicial Watch submitted a joint status report to the court regarding the watchdog group's lawsuit from April about their Foyer request. Now they made that Feyer Request freedom of Information Act FOYER request back in February for all records related to Epstein. Part of the Judicial watch request was for records depicting the identities of clients or associates of Epstein. The watchdog group filed the lawsuit against both the DOJ and FBI after they failed to adequately respond to three separate Foyer requests. This report was filed the day after a joint Justice Department FBI memo was obtained by Axios and published, which raised all sorts of other questions like why is somebody in the DJ feeding stuff to Axios? And in this report from the DJ, it said a systematic review revealed no incriminating client list. There was also no credible evidence found that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals as part of his actions. This is what sent everybody over the edge, was this Axios report just ahead of the Attorney Point USA Charlie Kirk's event this past weekend. Right, this is why everybody was talking about this. Everybody was so mad about it, and this is why it's all boiling over. I've heard stories also that Bongino, Dan Bongino, whose cash Betel's you know, assistant deputy whatever at the FBI. Bongino is off at Pam Bondi because she totally bricked the rollout of the information she gave all of those social media influencers. Those binders, they walk out of the White House, they're showing the binders. Yeah, we got the Epstein files. And then it turns out to be just like mostly redacted pages that were already released to the public. And everybody was like, what are you doing? Why would you do that? And so Bongino's banded Bondi Bondi planted some stories about Bongino. They had a yelling match or something. Donald Trump had to get involved and like talk them off the ledge. The report from the DOJ also said it did not uncover evidence that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties. The Justice Department and FBI are sending out contradictory messages telling the American people that no more Epstein material will be released, while telling the federal court in this filing yesterday that the Epstein Foyer review is still proceeding. Right. That's according to Tom Fitton, he is the president of Judicial Watch. There's another component here. Dislaine Maxwell. She was Epstein's associate. She is serving a twenty year prison sentence for child sex trafficking, and related crimes. There were reports a couple of weeks ago that she was willing to talk to spill the beans. She's in jail, she has not killed herself or been killed. And I just started to think, if Epstein was gotten to by really powerful people, right that didn't want him to talk, and right they had to get rid of him. Why not her too? She knew everything, right, and now she's she's saying she'll talk about it all, So why wouldn't they take her out as well? And then there was attorney Alan Dershowitz. He went on a podcast with Sean Spicer, Trump's former Comm's guy. Alan Dershowitz said, I know the names of the individuals. I know why they're being suppressed. I know who is suppressing them, but I am bound by confidentiality from a judge and cases, and I can't disclose what I know, going on to say that he was once falsely accused of being one of Epstein's clients. He also said during his interview with Spicer that the list is being withheld in an effort to protect those involved with Epstein's crimes. He said, I know the names of people whose files are being suppressed in order to protect them, and that's wrong. Something else that Alan Dershowitz said. He said this on the Piers Morgan Show. He said, because he represented Jeffrey Epstein, he got Epstein that sweetheart deal down in Florida, which he said Epstein was mad at him for Epstein wanted a better deal. He thought he got screwed over. He didn't like the job that Dershowitz did. But Dershowitz said that when he talked to Epstein, he said, do you have any government connections, Like was any of this stuff part of any kind of government intel agency work, because then that obviously would get you off the hook, like we could say that and then they would drop the case. And Epstein said, no, I don't know what's true people. So I'm just trying to lead. Just go where the facts leave me real quick. Trump posted today that he has learned that Fannie May's Financial Crimes Division has concluded that Adam Schiff has engaged in a sustained pattern of possible mortgage fraud, saying that his primary residence was in Maryland to get a cheaper mortgage and rip off America when he has to live in California because he was a congressman from California, and a shift then said, oh, you're just saying that because I tried to get you impeached, but he never denied it. He never denied this, so I'll be watching that too, all right. That'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. You can also become a patron at my Patreon page or go to thepetecallanershow dot com. Again, thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.