Democrats move closer to another nullification of the Constitution | Hour 1

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For voting, they want to like, if there are federal laws about things that Democrats don't like, they attempt when they are in power in their states, they attempt to nullify those federal laws rather than go through the legislative process, actually win elections and you know, advocate for the policy and then undo the law, or change the law, or implement a process to start a constitutional amendment. We see this with gun laws right where they're trying to find all of these end runs around the Second Amendment to try to take as many guns as they can from law abiding citizens while leaving the felons to commit as many crimes as possible with the firearms and letting them out in the judicial system through our catch and release turnstile courts. Right nullification is sort of I think it's built into the DNA of the Democrat Party. And we have another example of this. Yesterday the governor of Virginia, the color Revolution Cia spook, Abigail Spanburger. She signed a bill into law making Virginia the latest participant in this unconstitutional effort called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. What is this thing, the NPV I C, or the as I like to call it. What is this thing besides being unconstitutional? Well, obviously it's going to advantage Democrats somehow, because they are the only ones who are passing this these bills in their states. I've got a map here, hang on, we got Washington, Oregon, California, Ina, Colorado, New Mexico, Minnesota, Illinois, Maryland, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Maine, Vermont, Taxachusetts, Jersey, Delaware, and now Virginia. So they're all part of this compact. Right, what does the compact do? Here's the story. I always like to go to the House organ of the Democrat Party the NPR website to find out, you know, the best version the the you know, the glossiest, glaziest version of the story. Usually will be from NPR talking about how wonderful this is. It's for democracy, it's for the people, it's for fairness, it's for equity. Right, I want all of that, Like, let me hear your best case in defense of this unconstitutional effort. Okay, So here it is. The Compact is an agreement among states to award their presidential electoral votes to the nationwide popular vote winner. Right, so they know they can't abolish the electoral College. They don't have the support to do so, and they probably never will. By the way, I saw a very interesting data breakdown. This was by Nick Fretus and Christian Hines on their Making the Argument podcast on YouTube, and Hines had gone and pulled all of this data looking at the birth rates among conservatives versus liberals and like conservatives are at like three or four or something like that. It's like triple or quadruple the birth rates of liberals who are at actually at non replacement level. Right They're they're not having kids and they are aborting the ones that, you know, try to get born. So they're like they're circling the drain when it comes to their replacements. Because usually what. Happens is, you know, the parents raise their kids with certain ideals and principles and morals and religion and that sort of thing, and that stuff sticks. Even if the kid drifts away from some of it, they usually tend to come back, but it still becomes a part of their core personality and ideas and so. And this is one of the other things that they that fredst talks about also in the podcast, is like, you know, get married, have babies, and homeschool, and in a generation, conservatives will run the table. That's it, right, Like, because the liberals are not producing enough of their own kids, they have to change your kids. They have to recruit your kids into their idea. Hence the capture of the education colleges, hence the trainings that they mandate all teachers take those trainings then inform the way teachers. Teach what's called the pedagogy. And once you send your kids off to the government schools, that's what they're going to be exposed to. That's how they're going to be taught. And so that's the only way they can replicate the revolution is through your kids. So the advice is have kids and homeschool them. You know, churches, you have a vital role to play here too. You maybe could consider doing some you know, schooling for your congregations children, right, Maybe divert some of the money you're spending on some of these other projects you're doing, and maybe instead educate the kids in that church, or you know, do like a hybrid something for parents who do homeschool, give them some other option that they can move their kid to and get them out of the K twelve government school system. Okay, so back to the NPR story with Virginia. The total number of states signed on to the Interstate Compact is now eighteen plus the District of Columbia, and that puts them at two hundred and twenty two electoral votes. They are creating an alliance, that's what this is. They're creating a Blue State Alliance, which is something that the founding fathers, the Framers, explicitly wrote the electoral college rules into the Constitution in order to avoid from happening. That's why they did it. It's literally the arguments they were making at the time when they said we're not going to have a popularly elected executive, do not want it not going to happen, because then states will combine, they will form alliances and such, and then you end up with the smaller states being bigfooted by the more populated states. And when that happens, you have fragmentation. I mean they didn't use this word, but balkanization. You're going to split apart. The Compact does not go into effect, though NPR wants to let us know, it's not going to take effect until there are enough states to overthrow the government. I'm sorry to win the presidency through two hundred and seventy electoral votes. See, so we're still going to use the electoral vote system. We're just going to ignore the rationale for why it's there, which of course is at odds with your own voter's interests. Right now, everybody complains like, oh, the presidential elections come down to a couple swing states, and that is true. However, that's the thing about swing states. They are more representative of the country because they are a swing state. It's almost an evenly split electorate. It'll go back and forth and back and forth. But here's the other thing. They don't always stay as a swing state. Look at Ohio. That's now a solid red state. When I was growing up, that was the swing state. Everybody was campaigning in Ohio all the time, and now not so much. These things change. The parties change, voters, attitudes change, people move. You know. Stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of our past while transcending generations. 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All right, So, the state of Virginia now joins a national compact, the Interstate Compact, in order to usurp the Constitution of the United States and get their candidates into the presidency forever. That's the idea. So this way the big blue states can dominate the national election every four years. That's the idea behind this. Now they will dress this thing up and say it's about fairness and equity, and you'll hear some of these arguments, but that's crap. This is about power because if this actually meant that they could not win anymore, they would never promote it, just like the gerrymandering argument. Right, Virginia's jerrymandering. They're taking a vote. The early voting is underway right now. For their gerrymandered map, which is a violation of their own state constitution. But they are willing to do it because it empowers them. Right, So these arguments that they make are not good faith, legitimate, or even honest or truthful arguments. It's just in search of power. So the compact would go into effect as soon as they hit the magic number of two hundred and seventy electoral votes. As you know, you add up all of the states that are on board, that will then prompt a constitutional crisis. Democratic Virginia House of Delegates member Dan Hellmer told NPR, who, by the way, acknowledges right out of the gate in their story a national effort to circumvent the electoral college, to circumvent the electoral college. What does that mean, to violate the constitution? Because it spells out in the Constitution the electoral college and how it's supposed to be used. Dan Hellmer, this Virginia delegate, said getting the state to join the compact was at least a decade long process, but he linked the effort to new threats against American democracy. We have a new generation of Democrats in Virginia, and what that means is we have people who appreciate the threats that are happening to our democracy today and are ready to take action. Remember, whenever Democrats say something is a threat to democracy, they mean a threat to the Democrat Party. Eight in ten Democrats, according to a Pew survey, eight and ten Democrats favor replacing the electoral college with a popular vote system. Only forty six percent of Republicans back in, which is way too high for my taste. Your Republicans like, what are you doing? What are you talking about? This is like one of the last remnants of actual federalism that exists. If you say you love the Constitution, then you shouldn't be doing a national popular vote, which, by the way, we don't have. We don't do. We have fifty one elections on the same day. That's the system. It's not a national vote. It is state votes that all occur the same day with secret ballots. So this way, you can't be pressured into voting for an executive another state, can't come in and lobby your state to turn it over to that you know, their preferred candidate like this. And this is again, people do not understand this because they went through K twelve government schools and never learned it and never were taught. This is the value of this system. This is what makes it better than a popular vote. Patrick Rosensteel. This guy is a senior consultant to the Compact Project. He describes himself as a quote conservative Republican, but I'm not so sure. I don't know the guy. He rejects the premise that the electoral college helps Republicans. He said his party would also benefit from a popular vote model. He said, I think the idea that any candidate, Republican or Democrat can focus on the interests of simply the battleground states denies them the opportunity to speak with a full throated support of most American voters. If we turn this to a system in which every voter in every precinct is politically relevant in the presidential election, not just a handful of precincts and a handful of battleground states, that obviously changes the outcome of the elect elections. Right you Yeah, you think that it's easier to register voters in rural North Carolina than it is and get them to turn out than it is to go to one apartment tenement in New York City and register votes and ballot harvest. Really you think that's as easy. And here's the thing, a president or a candidate could actually win the presidency and carry only eleven states. This is nuts and it's unconstitutional. Okay, Supporters of the effort, this whole article is about supporters. They do one part of the very end. Supporters of this effort say the compact is a significantly easier lift than a constitutional amendment, which gives away the whole game. They know that they need a constitutional amendment. They just don't want to go through an Article five process, right, This is what the Convention of States is all about, going through an art process. If you want to amend the Constitution, then there are two ways to do it. Congress can initiate it or a convention of States can do it. That's the process. Those are the rules. But they are obviously trying to get around the rules because they're trying to empower themselves. They argue the Constitution gives power to states to assign electors however they want, and that is true, the assigning of the electors, not the election of the president. You sorry, sorry. Some legal scholars disagree, Actually a lot of them do. Some have argued that the framers of the Constitution explicitly rejected the idea of popular elections for president. Yeah. Well, there's a reason why some have argued that NPR. It's because that's literally what they argued about during the Constitutional Convention, literally the argument, and you know what idea they rejected out of hand, a national popular vote, not even in contention. They were like, no, not doing that, that's stupid. And then they debated three other ideas that I'll get into some of the history on this in a minute. So that's why some have argued that the framers explicitly rejected it. Yes, because they did. Others argue that electoral changes such as universal suffrage and lowering the voting age have historically required a constitutional change, and this should go through a similar process. Yes, because you're trying to amend the Constitution, so you should go through the amendment process. But that's hard. I don't want to have to get so many states on board with my empowerment of Democrats plan. Patrick Valencia published a big piece over at back in twenty eighteen, actually at the Harvard Law Journal, and I read it. I've got some of his highlights. But he's now Iowa's deputy solicitor General, and he has written that the compact is ultimately an effort to quote usurp the constitutionally required electoral procedures by technically keeping the electrocollage in place and then just changing the rules of how those votes are assigned. One of the compact i Rosensteel, the so called conservative, said lawsuits would be likely if the compact gets to two hundred and seventy electoral votes, but he argues that the compact is based in solid constitutional law, and he says, I believe, like I believe there will be a court challenge, I believe it will be summarily won by the forces of good. Talking about himself, that's how they see themselves. This isn't just like some sort of policy debate or something. They see themselves as like, we're on the side of good. But what does that mean? That people who disagree with you are on the side of evil? Very wary of people who think like this, got a message from RUSS. The electoral college and state legislatures selecting senators. That's the way it was originally designed before the seventeenth Amendment made senators popularly elected. That was during the progressive era under Woodrow Wilson, worst president ever like that gave the state legislatures a voice in the federal government. That was the design anyway. So that and the electoral College are two of the most genius and my favorite ideas in the Constitution. They've already tricked the voters into knocking out one, and only opportunists and fools are pushing to. Eliminate the other. I concur. So Patrick Valencia, now Iowa's deputy solicitor general. He wrote, he wrote a very lengthy article for the Harvard Law Journal, and my brow tells me, like, how long it'll take you to read the article? And the browser told me like ninety nine minutes. It's very lengthy. I read it, but I'm going to give you some of the highlights. All of this started after the two thousand election, what they called an election misfire, when it produced a president who won the electoral college but lost the national popular vote. Then they created this national popular vote interstate Compact. I'm gonna just call it the compact, and it would convert the electoral College into a de facto direct popular election of the president. He calls it a constitutional crisis in waiting. The Compact, he says, is unconstitutional because it promotes combination what I called an alliance, or if you prefer a confederacy, just in keeping with democrats old preferred names for their nullification efforts, we can call it a confederacy of these compact states. In fact, the seven oh four number texted in and said, these states alliance thing, sounds like a confederation. I wonder if they'll create their own flags. Yeah, I mean might as well. So the term combination is important here because the Founders used that word to discuss the things that were happening at that time. States were starting to ban together in these compacts and these like agreements, and they were creating their own like sort of regional powers and stuff. And that's what the Founders were trying to prevent from happening. Because these results are precisely what the Framers deliberately sought to avoid when they carefully detailed the what he keeps using this term finally wrought electoral procedures. In other words, very precisely written. Okay, finally wrought is what he keeps saying, or what the Founders used. The compact makes an impermissible fundamental alter to the electoral college. The framers specified these procedures to prevent combination among the states or an alliance and allow each individual state to vote according to its own interests. That's what you're voting for. You as a state, are voting for your state's interest in who should be president. The compact would force a state's electors to disregard their state's unique interests and instead vote for whomever secures a plurality of the national popular vote, regardless of that candidate's performance. In that specific state. You could have a state that joins this compact, like Virginia for example, Right, I don't know if Virginia is in play anymore. Maybe it will be after, you know, all the work federal workforce has been slashed under Trump. Maybe we won't have as big a federal workforce up there voting for Democrats. I don't know, but some of those states, like what happens if, like the state starts turning Republican. So now you could have an election where a state votes for the majority of the voters vote for a Republican, but if a Democrat wins the national popular vote, then the state's electoral college votes ignore the will of their own voters in that state. North Carolina is an example, right, Like, what if next election JD Vance versus Gavin Newsom. Let's say, if we were in this thing, you could have you could have us vote for JD Vance, but all fourteen or sixteen of our electoral College votes would end up going to Gavin Newsom, which is not what we voted for. Our state voted for this other guy. That's what the Framers designed. You people are insane who are doing this? You're going to force because at some point people are not like, what do you think all the red states are going to say to this? What do you think they're going to say? What do you think they're going to do. That? They can't control your state legislature California, so you're just so it's just gonna be California and New York they're going to decide and Illinois. Right, you guys are going to decide who the president is. That's how this is going and we'll have no ability to stop it. People go to war over this stuff. So he rightly labels this a de facto constitutional amendment, which it is that deprives the non compacting states of their current political power in presidential elections. Yeah, there would be no need whatsoever for a presidential candidate to ever visit a small state. They wouldn't have to. A Democrat candidate would only have to go to a Democrat run state, Go to the most populated Democrat states, and turn out your vote. That's it. The Compact, whether achieved through state statute or congressional approval, is unconstitutional because it alters provisions of the Constitution that detail the finally wrought procedures, a term of art that was defined in a previous Supreme Court ruling I ins versus chata. If you want to do this, then it has to go through the Article five Amendment process. But they won't do that because they know they don't have the votes. They couldn't get it done. They would not be able to get this passed. So this is their end run around it, which is nullification. From the WBT text line driven by Liberty Buick GMC, this is from a nine to eight O number who says South Virginia just needs to become the fifty first state. I would support that. Angel says. The Democrats are the reason why I always ask my children, what did your teacher talk about today, I find myself unpacking their liberal thoughts with true facts. Also the reason why I made my kids read Russia's children's books alongside of summer reading. I'm convinced that public schools have a hidden agenda for our kids outside of basic education. Look, there is Okay, I know that sounds paranoid. Okay, but there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for why it seems like that. It's because it's true. That's why. That's why it feels like that. Three three six number says two hundred and fifty years and the struggle continues. Islamists trying to claim tribute on the high seas since the eighteen hundreds, the Democrats trying to nullify federal laws and to subjugate the week. Yeah, it is like history doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme, you know. Yeah, we're fighting the modern incarnation of the Barbary pirates, and Democrats are trying to null five federal law this from seven oh four number. In the sake of fairness, If that was the goal, I'd advocate to get rid of win or take all states and have a state's electoral votes match how the people voted. Fifty two percent Republican forty eight percent Democrat, for example, if we push for what Look, if you want to move to that system, fantastic, go for it. Run an amendment. See that's the thing. There is a process. There is a rule book here, and if you want to change something in the rule book, the rules tell you how to do that. Just like I tell the gun grabbers, if you want to repeal the Second Amendment, then come for it. File a file a bill, right, make emotion, get that thing started, and then the states will have to decide whether they want to ratify an amendment to the Constitution or not. If it wants to originate in Congress final you want to try it through a convention of. States, fine, go for it. Try it. I don't think you're going to succeed, but give it a shot. But do it by the rules. If we push for a national vote, doesn't that mean we can have federal voting standards such as the Save Act. No. See, here's the thing. What they're doing does an end run around the electoral College, so they can keep their states ignoring federal law. Another form of nullification. They can keep their ballot harvesting rules. They don't want to federalize elections unless they get to write the rule book, which is what they tried two years ago or three years ago, whatever it was. When they got control. The first bill they ran was a nationalizing of the election bill. It failed, but that was the first thing they did. John from Jersey says, I have relatives who use phrases like I'm on the right side of history. I'm pretty sure Hitler believed that too. Yeah, there's nothing more dangerous than someone who thinks that they are on the right side of history. Like you have no idea, you're that you're just making a prediction, you're wish casting there. You have no idea what history is going to view you as down the road. Right, eighty percent of the counties in the United States vote Republican, says seven oh four number. I will just tell you I recognize that, but I will tell you that is not an effective argument whenever you're talking about electoral outcomes and that sort of thing, because you will be met with a response something along the lines of land doesn't vote right, like just be caught. Like you see the map and look at all the red spots and all that. Yeah, but but there are very few people living in those areas, so the land mass doesn't matter, and so it's an easily swatted down argument. So it's just it's best not to even make that kind of an argument. But it is true. Yeah. So here, Stan says, well, I just said some Now you just said something else. Okay, by county Trump carried, Yeah, see again, like this is the other thing. Trump carried twenty six hundred counties, Kamala Harris carried two hundred and seventy seven, right, and Trump won the national popular vote, but he only won it by like a percentage point or two, right, So what does that like? That's so what are you saying. You're saying that there are as many people that voted for Trump that live in this vast area, so they're spread out, right, versus the Democrats who are all clustered in these in these urban counties, these two hundred and seventy seven counties, right, but it's still about the same amount of people, and people vote not the land. Eddie says, your topic, while interesting, is making me want to scream. I know it's annoying and dangerous. These people are playing with fire. Steven says, I'm sorry, could you repeat what this topic is about because it sounds really interesting and it's starting to make me upset. Me too. Here's the thing. We should be upset. We should be upset. This thing has been going on for so long. It's been going on since two thousand, this compact, and I had lost track of it because I didn't think anybody was stupid enough to do this. But now with Virginia, they're at like they're about forty eight electoral votes away. So if they can get enough other blue states to pass this bill in their own states and they then create this alliance, and then whoever wins the national popular vote will get all of their electoral College votes. Now, that could backfire lariously on them, but the idea is like they're trying to institute a blue wall basically, right, remember the Blue Wall, all these states that were solid blue and had the blue Wall up in the northern part of the country. That's what they're trying to do, and they're going to try to do it. They are trying to do it by making an end run around the Constitution. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. You can also become a patron at my Patreon page or go to thepetecallanarshow dot com. Again, thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.