Democrats keep trying to use Epstein as a wedge to split MAGA (11-13-2025--Hour2)

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But because there's there's so much political motivation behind all of this story, and there has been from the very beginning, for example, where the left sees the emails released by the Democrats as somehow proof that Donald Trump knew what was going on, and this you know, the dog that didn't bark comment. They keep citing, you know, there's another interpretation for that, which I'm not sure they've considered because of their you know, Trump derangement syndrome. But is it possible that that Donald Trump actually was working with authorities against Epstein. That's the dog that didn't bark people? Right? Like if he and if Epstein thinks that Trump knows too much about, you know, what's going on or something, then he's worried, particularly because by the time the investigation launched, Trump had already kicked him out of the club and refused to associate with him. This is all reported on, This is all known regardless of And that's the thing. We don't know what Trump knew about the operations that Epstein was running. There hasn't been evidence of that. But then again, like Trump right now is not really behaving like somebody that is completely innocent. Why are you pulling Lauren Bobert into the situation room to talk about her vote on the Epstein files being released? Like to me, and again, I don't have any more information than anybody else just reading the reports, but to me, it's quite possible that Trump realizes there are a lot of people whose names are going to be part of the release of the files that did not do anything wrong, but they're going to be labeled as being friends with Jeffrey Epstein. And if you want any you know example of this, look at the conflation of like Peter Teal, Peter Teal who had some message, had some emails or something that people have found and they're like, aha, Peter Teal was part of this. Peter Teal is gay, Okay, he was not participating in the sex trafficking of the underage girls, okay. But the conflation of a guy like Teal with you know, Prince Andrew or Bill Clinton. I'm just kidding. Nobody conflates Bill Clinton. Everybody gives him a pass on all of this stuff. Yeah, I've been very clear. I've been covering this story, you know, as it's been developing for what now, oh gosh, since twenty eleven or something, or no earlier than that, I guess, So, you know, but I don't know, nobody does. We are all speculating on this stuff and trying to piece together this who done it? And you know, Americans love themselves. The true crime podcasts and such, and so people are all trying to put this thing together. But people have motivated reasoning. And so when you know, for example, here you go, I'll show you. Here's the example from an unnamed South Carolina number. I call them sc lefty, all the political whataboutisms from the left and the right. None of you seem to mind that dozens of young girls were trafficked and raped and only two people have faced any consequences. See, there's again an assumption that he knows more than he does. In fact, I have been saying that very thing for years, for years. Why is it that none of the quote you know, customers or the Johns, the clients of Epstein, Like, how come nobody else has been arrested or charged only that? Like, so you're telling me a woman goes to prison for trafficking underage girls and it's only for Epstein and there were no other clients there. That seems not believable, you know. And so that's the point of pushing to get the files released and let the chips fall where they may. Now, of course that's easy for me to say because I'm not caught up in any of it, So it doesn't matter to me, it's not going to impact me, but for the victims it does matter, and it should be This stuff should be aired. What's really important is the timing of the Democrat email release. Right, No, that's not really important, But it's important to understand the political machinations that are behind what we are seeing and what they are trying to promote and what Democrats did yesterday. If you actually care about the victims that you're texting me about that, and you're accused me of not caring, If you actually care, then you would care about the fact that Democrats released these three emails in an attempt to smear Trump, which is obvious, right, You would care about that. You would care that they did more damage in doing that. Now, maybe they did some good because it prompted the Republicans to dump twenty thousand documents out of their House Oversight Committee, and you should celebrate that, you should be happy. But Democrats they're not happy about that. Why are they not happy about that? Why did they block the unanimous consent motion to release everything? Why do they block that? So I'm supposed to not I'm supposed to have zero questions about why Democrats would put out just these three emails, and what do you think it means. I'm supposed to I'm supposed to ignore that that motivation and then also ignore all of their efforts to continue blocking. I'm not going to do that. I've said, like I literally just said, the behavior of Donald Trump indicates that there is something in there and I don't know what it is. And for people who hate Trump, they say they believe that it's because he's in the files. It's because Donald Trump was taking trips to the island, which we know isn't true because we have the flight logs. But that doesn't matter. So like they we know that Trump is covering it up. Everybody's covering it up for Donald Trump. That's what they believe, but there isn't evidence for that yet. That may be true, but it might not be true. See, like I'm one of these people. I know, I'm probably a bit of a rare bird, but I'm one of these people who waits to see all of the evidence before trying to, you know, decide on a conclusion. No, it's not a it's not the really important issue, but it is an important issue. When Democrats tell me that this is the important issue, and this is the smoking gun, and then it turns out it's not. And now I wonder, well, why are you doing this? Like there is Let me see here see if I can find it. I think it. I still have it up. Do do do do do do do. It's a tweet here in the in my uh yeah, here it is arn. Ours are annar Celdean Celdane anyway, says, let me get this straight. With the release of Epstein's emails, we find out that Epstein hated Trump, did not trust Donald Trump, that they were not friends, that The New York Times directly worked with Jeffrey Epstein to suppress stories about him. After Bradley Edwards, the lawyer for the accusers, said that Trump was the only individual to cooperate and help. Epstein said Trump did not have one decent cell in his body right, So the lawyer for the accusers say Trump was the only one to cooperate, and this was also compelling. That the Democrats did their fake reaction of the victim's name, which was already known and she had already testified, under wrote that Trump was not involved. The name they blocked was Virginia Giuffrey, who publicly testified Trump was innocent. Oh and also Russia Gate was confirmed a hoax, that's what came out of these emails. So is it possible that Democrats haven't released all of these emails because of that because it actually doesn't show what they wanted it to show, and so now they're going to try to cook it up to make it show something that it doesn't. You know, stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of our past while transcending generations. 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So the thing to keep in no matter what comes out on with the Epstein files and the investigations and everything else, is that Democrats have been trying to figure out a way to fracture the MAGA coalition. And when the Epstein files issue came across their radar as one that naturally has MAGA split, they dare I say, pounced. They seized on this issue. See, Democrats don't really care about the Epstein files. They haven't cared. And to answer like one potential answer for you know, why didn't the Democrats under Joe Biden, Why didn't they release all of this stuff when they had the chance. If Donald Trump is implicated, why wouldn't you do it? One of the answers could be that they don't care. They didn't care about the files. They didn't care about Epstein, they didn't care about the victims or the clients. They didn't care about any of it. It was only when Trump ran on this issue, right, he talked about it in the campaign. He was going to release all of the files, and so Democrats didn't go after him on it. They just ignored it. And then when you know, they started kind of slow walking the release of the files, Pam Bondi did that stupid pr stunt that completely blew up in her face. It angered MAGA, and it created this split, and Democrats saw that and they are exploiting it. That explains their actions yesterday, right, That explains it. Reassess your assumptions. You're assuming Democrats want the files released, So then why would they vote against a unanimous consent to release them all unless they don't actually want them all released. They're just saying that. They're just saying that in order to split MEGA, to further drive the wedge and shatter this coalition that they fear can exist post Trump or may come out and vote to protect him in the midterms, because that's what's at stake here in the mid term twenty twenty six midterm elections. If Democrats have a blue wave, and the historical trend is that the party in power in the White House loses in the midterms, and if they take control of the House. And you know me, I don't make predictions, but I'm going to make a prediction on this one. They're going to impeach Donald Trump. They're going to try to get him out. Now. They're probably not going to win the Senate just because of the seats that are open and up for election. The math doesn't really work for them to retake the Senate. Probably can't get a conviction in the Senate, but they're going to They're going to replay the first term and they'll impeach him as many times as they have to, even though he won't be removed from office. That's what's at stake. And so if they can demoralize the mag of voters using the Epstein issue as a wedge, they're going to do it. And that's why you would release this ridiculous email exchange and then be mad at the disclosure of twenty thousand documents that you claim to want and then block a unanimous consent for all of the files to be released. You wouldn't do that if you want the files to be released. One of the emails exchanges that was released in the dump from the Republicans yesterday ex Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, who served under former President Bill Clinton. He had an exchange with Jeffrey Epstein, and Epstein criticized Donald Trump's handling of a twenty eighteen meeting with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki. Remember this, Democrats wanted to impeach him over this, and Summers wrote to Epstein, do the Russians have stuff on Trump? Today? Was appalling even by his standards, and Epstein responded, my email is full with similar comments. Wow, and then said that Trump's handling of the summit was quote predictable quote. I'm sure his view is that it went super well. He thinks he has charmed his adversary. Admittedly he has no idea of the symbolism. He has no idea of most things. I was Jeffrey Epstein talking to Larry Summers. So again, is it possible that Democrats don't want more of these documents out? They're just trying to use it as a wedge and hoping that Trump won't release all of the stuff. Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of Asheville is your connection. Whether you're celebrating an anniversary, a honeymoon, maybe you want to plan a memorable proposal, or get family and friends together for a big old reunion. Cabins of Ashville has the ideal spot for you where you can reconnect with your loved ones and the things that truly matter. Nestled within the breath taking fourteen thousand acres of the Pisga National Forest, their cabins offer a serene escape in the heart of the Blue Ridge Mountains. 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And how dare they release twenty thousand Epstein files. Yeah, it's just it's I think it's a well, just kind of thinking through. Maybe it's a product of the intellectual flabbiness, because a lot of this gaslighting only works when you have a complicit media to help reinforce the narratives, you know, and with social media now everybody's got their own printing press, and people have their own echo chambers and such. This stuff, though, breaks containment very quickly, and by the Republicans releasing twenty thousand documents, it now gives everybody access to see this stuff, and which is what should have occurred before earlier than now, but it has now occurred, and now people are going through this stuff. And here's another one, for example, this from New York Times best selling author John Lefevre The New York Times essentially worked for Jeffrey Epstein. They tipped him off on investigations, specifically Landon Thomas Junior, who covered international finance, emerging markets, and the asset management industry for the time. He was a reporter there from two thousand and two through twenty nineteen. And he sent an email in September twenty seventeen to Jeffrey Epstein saying that he got another call from Connolly. I'm not sure who Connolly is. That's the subject of the email, and he tips off Epstein with high importance on the email, saying Connolly is digging around again, not clear if it's another book or expanded paperback version. Was asking me all sorts of questions about why you hired Kenneth Starr. Remember ken Starr was the special prosecutor that the Clintons brought on or was appointed rather to investigate whitewater Clinton's right and so why did Epstein hire ken Starr? So apparently this guy Connolly maybe a writer, reporter or something. And so Thomas Landon, the reporter for The New York Times, is tipping off Epstein saying, Hey, this guy's digging around again, asking some questions about why you hired Ken Starr. I told him I had no idea. I think he is doing some Trump related digging too. Anyway, for what it's worth, then Politico piece by Kyle Cheney and Erica Ordin I made a reference to one of these lines here in a site you'll hear in a second. A week before Donald Trump prevailed in the twenty sixteen election his first term, an email landed in Jeffrey Epstein's inbox encouraging him to change the fate of the world. A week before the el Michael Wolfe, the quote journalist, said there's an opportunity to come forward this week and talk about Trump in such a way that could garner you great sympathy and help finish him interested. Now, it's unclear what Wolfe specifically expected Epstein to say to try to damage Trump's candidacy, Though Trump's adversaries have long highlighted the relationship between Trump and Epstein amid revelations about Epstein's purportedly prolific sex trafficking of minors, Trump has long denied any wrongdoing or knowledge of Epstein's misdeeds. The emails also show Michael Wolfe despite his work as a journalist, taking on a role as an unofficial Epstein image consultant of sorts, offering him messaging and PR strategies as Epstein's legal and criminal exposure began to mount. Remember the timeframe. This is in the run up to Trump's first election victory. This is when Epstein was then being investigated again and all like the Sweetheart deal and all of that stuff. That's what Epstein's dealing with. This is a decade after Trump kicked him out of Mara a Lago, cut off all ties. They had their falling out, and my memory is that that was based off of some bidding war on property. It may have been on Mara a Lago, I don't remember, but Epstein and Trump were both trying to get some property and Trump Trump won, and Trump got mad that Epstein was trying to get this same property or something. The emails also showed that wolf despite his work as a journal I read that part. Sorry, It's unclear if the late convicted sex offender ever replied to Wolfe's October twenty ninth, twenty sixteen email, but he stayed silent in the final days of Trump's campaign and watched as his longtime acquaintance with whom he'd out of falling out a decade earlier, prevailed over Democrat Hillary Clinton. This exchange with Wolfe was one of several in which Wolfe pushed Epstein to help tear down Trump. It was among hundreds released Wednesday by the Republican led House Oversight Committee. Wolfe wrote to Epstein short in December of twenty fifteen, so a year before the election, said quote, I think you should let him hang himself. Well, there's a bit of foreshadowing anyway. No, that was about Trump. Let Trump be his own worst enemy. The White House downplay. I read that part about Chris Carolyn Levitt. The House Democrats are predicting dozens of their Republican counterparts will join an effort to force a vote for the release of even more Epstein documents against the wishes of GOP congressional leadership and the White House. Senior Republicans privately believe that maybe one hundred or more Republicans will vote for it. That vote is expected next week. By the way, the broader tranche of emails revealed Epstein's vast web of connections to power centers around the world. He bantered with former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers and invited billionaire Peter Teal to visit him in the Caribbean. He connected far flung associates such as Wolf with Trump, ally Tom Barrick, and attorney Ken Starr, And he gabbed about current events with soon Ye Previn Woody, Allen's wife. Summers and Barrick did not respond to requests for comment, but a person close to Peter Teal said Teal did not visit Epstein's island in the Caribbean. So here's a good example. Epstein makes the invitation, Teal doesn't take him up on it, But now his name is associate with Jeffrey Epstein, and that's not fair or Teal if that's the only interaction that ever occurred. All right, if you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, and I know you do too. And you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why. Well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with ground News. It's an app and it's a website, and it combines news from around the world in one place so you can compare coverage and verify information. You can check it out at check dot ground, dot news, slash pete. I put the link in the podcast description too. 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I can entertain all sorts of theories. But I don't make accusations if I don't have evidence. Scott says Trump banned Epstein from marra A Lago in two thousand and seven. That has been independently verified. If Epstein had anything on Trump, that would not have happened. That's a good point. Yeah, I mean, if Epstein wanted access into ma A Lago in order to keep you know, recruiting away his staff, which is what Trump said he was doing and why he got mad at him one of the reasons. But if Epstein is using that as hunting grounds and recruitment grounds, and Epstein wanted back in, he would have just blackmailed Trump, right, But he didn't because he never got back in. It's a great point. Let's see here, just going up. Janice says, I used to live in Saint Thomas for two years. I worked as a crew on charter boats. In between charters, we anchored in Christmas Cove, which is on Epstein's island. Oh, we weren't allowed on the island, but we definitely witnessed a lot of boats and helicopters going back and forth to the island, and we all called it p File Island. Long before the media. It was all very interesting. Scott says. If they released the files and names in the files were not actually involved with Epstein, could legal action for defamation be filed. Doubtful unless you use the presence of their name in a file to defame them somehow, you know, and by files like what are we talking about email exchanges and that sort of stuff. You know. But if somebody were to use like Peter Teal is in the files, like Epstein sent him an email saying, hey, come to the island and Teal never did so. Now if you say that that means he's a pedophile and all of this, then yeah, that would be opening yourself up to a lawsuit. And you saw what Peter Til did to Gawker magazine or Gawker dot com just completely destroy them, So you know, just heads up when you mess with Peter Til. Then there is is Trump helped on a case of the survivors by giving information to their attorney. I think his name was Ferguson. Yeah, I've seen a video of the attorney stating that Trump was the only one who reached out to their attorney. Eddie says Epstein was Jewish. I wonder how many Zionists are on the list. That's the Jews. There, you go, see this is why Democrats want this issue, because they are you they see that the gro as I went over in great detail yesterday on the show. Right, this anti Semitism that is among the left far more pervasive, I would say, but also among the gropers on the right and the you know, the post World War two you know liberal project is a bus. We got to scrap the constitution. We need a monarchist, Christian monarchist form of government, like all of these post liberals. Anti Semitism is over there well. And so they're trying to sew division inside of the coalition that put Trump in office. And that's a pretty good example of it there. The Epstein stuff is all about Democrats trying to cause division there you go within the GOP and to hurt Trump because of their tds. It doesn't matter what's in those files, they'll twist it in some way to try to damage Trump and his presidency. Seven oh four number. It was never the Russia tapes. We had the wrong country. Israel tapes exist of Trump, and I voted for Trump. Release the Epstein files. Trump ran on it. It came out yesterday. Peter Thiel's in the Epstein files. No surprise, it was never the Russia tapes. We had the wrong country. You just keep saying this, So this is is this like an automated bot coming in. We had the wrong It's Israel's fault. Now, look, Israel may be connected to this because Epstein had all sorts of connections with these world leaders. There could be many different governments involved. So maybe just think outside the jew hating box, you know, Oh, I kid I kid, Beth says, or no, sorry, this is from Mike or Lisa, uh pete, stop it with the common sense. It's madness. Madness. I say, here's a question. How come Democrats aren't outraged and tearing their shirts that Trump said to the press that Clinton went to the island thirty times. Shouldn't that be slander? Says Johnny Steve says. Tune in tomorrow for the next thrill packed episode of the ten years running saga. We've got him now. That's the The walls are closing in, The walls are closing in. It's just a very very very very very very very very very large room. That see. That's the thing. People never take into account it's just a really big room, all right. That'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. 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