Democrat consultant: NC politics will be crazy for a decade (03-06-2024--Hour3)

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[00:00:23] button, get every episode for free, write your smartphone or tablet. the welcome back to wbt into the p calendar show how are you dane do well go about p it's been thirteen years also uh... since we were on the

[00:00:48] part of the divide me and larry sheen march

[00:00:51] debry march around that time in twenty eleven

[00:00:54] that perdue was mayor and he fought to do a good for do with governor and

[00:00:59] the fox mayor parks homes with filled out

[00:01:01] it was literally like light years away politically

[00:01:05] yeah

[00:01:06] yeah so i mean we've both grown up and you know you moved up to the mountains to

[00:01:10] become i guess a mountain and for a while and

[00:01:13] i've just been dredging it out here and uh... charlotte politics some might

[00:01:17] call the time in exile that is some i call it exile what i was doing exile

[00:01:23] that's possible exile

[00:01:24] that's a good term for

[00:01:26] uh...

[00:01:26] so yeah yesterday was

[00:01:28] absolutely as fascinating as it gets because i tell local journalists you're

[00:01:33] in the right time

[00:01:34] if you're covering charlotte mecklin bird or north rilanda politics

[00:01:38] this ain't the nineteen ninety i mean this is

[00:01:41] everyday crazy intense stuff and it's going to be that way probably for for a decade

[00:01:46] so why do you think a decade

[00:01:49] i think uh...

[00:01:51] things have a way of writing themselves and i think it there is going to be

[00:01:55] and i think

[00:01:56] there is going to be a more moderation to the middle

[00:02:00] and that is simply because

[00:02:02] uh... not not in Mecklenburg yet,

[00:02:05] but across North Carolina, the great move

[00:02:08] to the unaffiliated, not necessarily center,

[00:02:12] but because unaffiliates could either be your most liberal

[00:02:14] or your most conservative, but a good portion

[00:02:17] and increasing portion are now in the middle.

[00:02:20] They just wanna see the schools built

[00:02:21] and the roads paved and all the basic infrastructure

[00:02:25] because there's going to come a time where there's no more social issues that will intensely divide

[00:02:30] us and we're going to get back to do this central avenue has it been paved in years,

[00:02:35] you know, kind of stuff. I think we're going to come back to a more centrist.

[00:02:41] I mean, I'm a total partisan, you know that. But I think it's coming where there is going to be a move towards constituent services,

[00:02:52] getting things back in order because that's what people want to be safe and secure and

[00:02:57] they don't want to have to think about things.

[00:02:59] I don't have to think about if I drive down Central Avenue, my shocks could blow up.

[00:03:04] I mean mean we want

[00:03:05] to like let everything flow

[00:03:07] mmm we want the the government actually work for the people again

[00:03:12] but i did that we gotta get rid of a lot of this

[00:03:14] the the extreme partisan stuff which i've been as guilty of as anybody

[00:03:19] but i think in the end the vast majority the people

[00:03:22] are going to be in the center and they're going to,

[00:03:25] they don't want to talk about this nonsense anymore.

[00:03:27] They want to get things done again.

[00:03:29] People want to be comfortable safe, happy, have a good job and not worry about stuff.

[00:03:34] So I would submit that you don't get there with uni-party control.

[00:03:43] And this is, you know, whether it's the Republicans or the Democrats, and I think this is part

[00:03:47] of the problem that we're seeing is that it was the same way up in Asheville.

[00:03:52] It's the same way now in Charlotte, Mecklenburg, except for what, two city council seats where

[00:03:58] it is complete control by the Democrat Party party right so it like that's there so the uh... the

[00:04:06] regulator or the the throttle that should be applied by the other party

[00:04:11] is not present any longer

[00:04:13] and i think that's why you see what we just saw with trip with the pat kafim

[00:04:17] yesterday right now that's happening

[00:04:19] what i do want to say is uh...

[00:04:22] what happened to the republican party me Mecklenburg County, and

[00:04:25] I know we want to talk about the results, is that from 2011 to 2019, 95 percent of their

[00:04:34] candidates, and that number astounds me, that ran out large and the contested districts were

[00:04:39] white men.

[00:04:41] In the meantime, the city of Charlottelotte was coming uh... more diverse more

[00:04:45] african-american

[00:04:46] but the kicker was

[00:04:48] that average voter now in mecklenburg county is normally

[00:04:52] a pretty big majority women

[00:04:55] and so that was the problem with the republican party keep running the same

[00:04:59] people over and over again

[00:05:01] uh... especially the changing demographics

[00:05:04] uh... you started losing everything.

[00:05:07] And it's only been, well, it seems like a lifetime again, 2011, there were Republicans,

[00:05:14] it was like seven to four, eight to three on the Charlotte City Council and just a couple

[00:05:19] of years before that it was five to four Democrat on the county county commission now it's not a zero right so anyway getting back to Tack Gotham I

[00:05:29] tell you a person with pets and name recognition and that media exposure in

[00:05:34] 12 years of experience losing by that larger margin is just unprecedented in

[00:05:41] county countywide Mecklenburg history and a multi-person race i mean we have sheriff erwin carmichael losing twenty eighteen being an incumbent on actually coming in that blue

[00:05:50] third in that primary so it is a democratic primary it's your hardest court democrats

[00:05:57] you know pat was far and away the top vote getter and the twenty twenty two democratic primary

[00:06:02] you know two years ago yeah last night she about 14,000 votes to the third place finisher and astonishing to me,

[00:06:11] it was 19,000 votes behind first place Lee Altman.

[00:06:15] I mean, that's a complete turnabout, a turnabout as I've ever seen now.

[00:06:21] There was always a little bit of suspicion in a democratic camp about Pat because remember

[00:06:26] she helped orchestrate to Ellis Scarborough take over of the county commission chair and

[00:06:33] that was pre-2018.

[00:06:35] And there were still three, she had the help of three Republicans who did that, who lost

[00:06:39] in 2018.

[00:06:41] But there was some suspicion democratically about that, but we still voted for Pat because

[00:06:45] I personally met Pat Cottum in 1998.

[00:06:51] Her and her husband at the time had an event for John Edwards.

[00:06:56] And that's where a lot of us first met her the first time and then she became Democratic

[00:06:59] Women Chair and just had a, just a fantastic lineage of democratic democratic work and delegate

[00:07:06] you know at the end c member so i think there was always suspicious in the

[00:07:11] suspicion the back of our minds about uh... about pat the win trisha

[00:07:16] made that switch almost a year ago that's hard to believe

[00:07:20] it kind of

[00:07:21] festered for

[00:07:22] the last eleven months and and a lot of hardcore democrats minds remember

[00:07:26] primary is your heart score democrats in the heart score republicans with a

[00:07:30] smattering of unafiliates

[00:07:32] uh...

[00:07:33] so i think though the whispers

[00:07:35] and the whispers about pack up the became

[00:07:37] literally a shout

[00:07:39] now i was surprised me is

[00:07:41] pat ran a very low-key campaign i mean people been talking for

[00:07:45] a year about the switch and and how was pat involved in the senate the other

[00:07:50] but she did run a very active campaign and so

[00:07:54] a person uh...

[00:07:56] with not a lot of funding and not a sign name recognition is is pat uh...

[00:08:01] detour democratic primary bar

[00:08:03] like it at fourteen thousand votes

[00:08:06] i mean that's really really astonishing

[00:08:09] so do you think that she was punished

[00:08:12] for

[00:08:13] trisha's

[00:08:14] flip

[00:08:16] they i believe they were because a lot of people

[00:08:20] uh...

[00:08:21] uh... there's two coughes there's been two columns for quite some time.

[00:08:26] Both of their names are Patricia.

[00:08:29] Both of them are Patricia Gotham.

[00:08:30] One goes by Pat, one goes by Patricia.

[00:08:33] And so the Guild by Association was absolutely there.

[00:08:37] And with the hyper-partisanship, I mean, I thought she would squeeze it out just because the, like I said, the majority

[00:08:46] of our, over 60% of our primary voters are women.

[00:08:51] And a good portion of those are between the ages of between 1680.

[00:08:56] I think at one point during the primary, the sweet spot was a 73 year old person voting

[00:09:02] in our primary so the older crowd it was female

[00:09:06] but

[00:09:07] i tell you i think it was it was

[00:09:10] to look at these numbers i mean she literally was uh... came in fourth place

[00:09:15] throughout the county yeah number top three advanced

[00:09:18] so um... yes to your answer yes yes so so lee allman finishes first

[00:09:24] and uh... just want to throw this word out to you, by the

[00:09:26] way, instead of vote getter, we use the word voteainer.

[00:09:30] I find it to be just a cleaner, nicer, cooler word.

[00:09:33] We're going to make that happen.

[00:09:34] It'll be a brand new word, and it'll be born out of North Carolina.

[00:09:37] Anyway, but Lee Altman as the voteainer, do you think that she then makes a play for the chairmanship that George Dunlap has been

[00:09:47] holding as a district rep?

[00:09:49] And you and I both know that that is not historically the norm.

[00:09:53] It's usually whoever comes in first in the county at large races.

[00:09:58] And if Lee Altman is now that person, is there going to be some sort of a leadership

[00:10:03] fight?

[00:10:04] Okay. So you put me in an awkward position on the Almond's campaign manager, of course.

[00:10:10] And she always runs an excellent campaign.

[00:10:12] She's super prepared.

[00:10:13] And okay, so not speaking entirely for Lee, but at this moment in time, she is very comfortable

[00:10:22] with Georgia's leadership. And that would be something

[00:10:26] that would be addressed in December.

[00:10:28] And it would come down to,

[00:10:30] she'd at least, again,

[00:10:32] not trying to speak for Commissioner Altman,

[00:10:34] but she doesn't want to make waves like that.

[00:10:37] But she does want to obviously

[00:10:40] be in a leadership position on the County Commission.

[00:10:44] Being the top vote-getter by a pretty substantial margin

[00:10:47] is a statement to the public being happy

[00:10:52] with their leadership.

[00:10:52] Now remember, we still have to go

[00:10:54] through a November election now.

[00:10:56] There's no Republicans running,

[00:10:57] but I believe there is a libertarian running.

[00:11:00] So technically this race will not be over

[00:11:03] until that November election. And let me

[00:11:07] point out that the November election is eight months from now, which is a flaw in the system

[00:11:13] in my opinion. You have somebody who's in combat like Pat lost last night. She's still got to sit

[00:11:19] there for eight months. So eight months is a lifetime politically. Eight months would be the equivalent

[00:11:27] of going back to basically the 4th of July in 2023. That's how long this cycle is. And

[00:11:32] with eight months, I think a number of questions will be answered about leadership and everything

[00:11:38] else. But I'll just say from the Altman campaign, we're just very happy with the support she

[00:11:43] got throughout Mecklin per county

[00:11:45] and there's a lot of work to do between now and any kind of uh... leadership

[00:11:49] questions

[00:11:51] so you just going to you know maybe throw it out there like the parks helms

[00:11:54] jennifer roberts idea maybe like a cold chick no i'm just kidding i'm just

[00:11:58] getting that's going

[00:12:00] that's going so far back and uh...

[00:12:03] yeah that was that that just seems like so long ago that back when mikmaki was

[00:12:08] going to go by gosh there's a blast from the past i'd hang on down i gotta go to a

[00:12:12] break uh... that's democrat will use a long time democrat consultant here in

[00:12:15] charlotte mecklenburg

[00:12:17] i apparently went way too long in the first segment here with the n mccorkle

[00:12:21] uh... who is the

[00:12:22] local charlotte meck Mecklenberg Democratic political consultant

[00:12:26] and campaign manager.

[00:12:27] And Dan, just for the record, I did not know you were with Lee Altman's campaign.

[00:12:30] So I was just kind of curious what your thoughts were on that.

[00:12:33] So I appreciate that.

[00:12:34] But you had, you had also made an observation that Charlotte or Mecklenberg County is going

[00:12:43] to have the, this area is going to have an attorney

[00:12:46] general in North Carolina.

[00:12:48] So, and, you know, there's been lots of jokes over the years about the great state of Mecklenburg

[00:12:52] County and how difficult it is for somebody from this area to win statewide.

[00:12:57] But I hadn't thought of it, but you are absolutely correct because whether it's Jeff Jackson

[00:13:01] or Dan Bishop, right, one of them is, they're both from this area,

[00:13:05] so one of them is gonna be the Attorney General.

[00:13:08] Absolutely.

[00:13:09] Dan Bishop has a really long history

[00:13:12] with elected office, I believe.

[00:13:15] I'm just, yeah, I believe you were

[00:13:16] on the County Commission at one point.

[00:13:18] That was, and, Richard.

[00:13:19] You know, Jeff, Jeff has been a 10-year spark.

[00:13:23] Jeff first got elected got selected to fill in

[00:13:26] Cloud Seltzer, Dan Cloud Seltzer's position in 2014

[00:13:30] when Cloud Seltzer became mayor.

[00:13:32] And so Jeff's gone in this 10th year, elected office,

[00:13:35] and of course the congressional seat,

[00:13:37] which he is still in till, you know,

[00:13:40] I guess technically January of next year.

[00:13:43] But Dan Bishop versus Jeff Jackson, is going to be super duper

[00:13:48] interesting

[00:13:49] and we also have racial hunt running out of mecklenburg for lieutenant governor

[00:13:52] we have wesley here is for treasure

[00:13:55] the tasha markets for insurance

[00:13:57] and there's a couple other folks um...

[00:14:00] i think how weatherman is in a run-off of labor at the republican lieutenant

[00:14:04] one of the republican lu

[00:14:05] tenet one of the republican lu kennett governors

[00:14:07] uh... candidates and i think they had a dozen people running so you have to get

[00:14:10] thirty percent so that's that's the rule

[00:14:12] yet before the fifty

[00:14:14] so we have a ton of people running out of mecklenburg county and unprecedented

[00:14:18] number

[00:14:20] the thing about mecklenburg county is jeff jacksen it's just the way the

[00:14:23] demographics are in the way to voting patterns are as they get a huge

[00:14:27] bump out of miklebert county even with bishop being here as well

[00:14:30] you know democrats are going to vote for democrats or publicans or publicans

[00:14:33] of vast center

[00:14:35] uh... seem to be or is trending democratic and and and uh... these big

[00:14:39] elections

[00:14:41] will say jeff jacken gets up a 160, 180,000 vote margin out of Mecklenburg

[00:14:47] County. That's what normally Cooper's getting and Biden got 2020. And also Jeff will probably

[00:14:52] do well in Orange, Wake, those areas. Then it becomes really interesting because Sherry

[00:14:57] Beasley lost in 2022. Did very well in all those counties, but like Mecklenburg, the

[00:15:03] urban counties, but she lost eighty one

[00:15:05] counties

[00:15:06] is a hundred counties in mecklin bergachery busy lost eighty one of them

[00:15:10] and that's hard to make up that kind of mass you know uh...

[00:15:15] and so

[00:15:16] jump jack is is proven when he was running briefly

[00:15:20] uh... for senator uh... before he decided to do the congressional seat

[00:15:24] he was doing very well in royal area said that the guys not afraid to jump in

[00:15:27] the crowd in campaign

[00:15:29] so it's going to be an issue where

[00:15:32] dishes can have to learn to be more of a retail politician

[00:15:36] uh... to make up the ground that he is going to lose in mecklenburg lake orange

[00:15:40] term

[00:15:41] uh... blunkam all those areas so it it's gonna be fascinating to see how they campaign.

[00:15:45] You know, they got eight months to barnstorm.

[00:15:48] And I think they both are gonna have

[00:15:50] enormous amounts of money, but there comes a time

[00:15:53] where you're so saturated with commercials

[00:15:58] and really direct mail, every single day,

[00:16:02] that I think it's gonna be who can be the best

[00:16:05] they going into

[00:16:07] uh... i don't know chatham county or something like that and really

[00:16:10] campaigning one-on-one with people in getting that internal attention because

[00:16:15] the there's going to be so many ads on the air probably starting in august

[00:16:20] that you're going to start tuning out the average voter can only handle so much

[00:16:24] the bombardment well have you thought about text messages how about some

[00:16:27] text messages no

[00:16:29] i'm kidding i don't know that i don't know that i was a problem

[00:16:32] uh... i'm a text messages is when we first are doing text messages and

[00:16:35] campaigns it was really simple vote for my candidate uh... election is tomorrow

[00:16:39] my candidate is for x one z

[00:16:41] now you get pages and pages and hundreds of words on a text

[00:16:45] message. And I don't even look. I don't even read them anymore.

[00:16:47] No, they all go to spam for me. Yeah. Dan, we'll do this again. I will have you back.

[00:16:51] I'm we're actually like three minutes late for our bottom of the hour break. So yeah,

[00:16:56] but I appreciate it. Good luck to you. Yeah. On the campaign trail, we'll be in touch.

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[00:17:50] Uh, and I did not know he was the campaign manager for Lee Oldman. I really did not.

[00:17:56] Um, but, uh, so that's, but that's interesting reading between the lines. Like I thought

[00:18:03] he was kind of saying that there's going to be a play for cheer.

[00:18:06] But we'll see.

[00:18:07] I wonder how Vilma Leake will vote, because they tried to take her out too. George Dunlap,

[00:18:12] who years ago Vilma would refer to as Mr. Rolley Polihead.

[00:18:18] So I've been told or was told at the time.

[00:18:24] But yeah, we'll see. We shall see. I got a message here

[00:18:30] to Pete at the Pete Callener Show.com from John, who was surprised by the results from

[00:18:38] the libertarian party primary for president. Did you catch these results last night? First off, there

[00:18:49] was probably about, I don't know, maybe four to 5,000 statewide votes in the libertarian

[00:18:57] party primary. They had, let's say here, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

[00:19:08] All right.

[00:19:09] So ten candidates in the Libertarian Party primary for president and the number one No preference, which is the most libertarian outcome you could ask for.

[00:19:31] You give, think about this, 5,000 libertarians around the state go and vote in their own

[00:19:40] primary and 40% of them are like, yeah, I don't like any of these 10 candidates, not

[00:19:47] a single candidate in the bunch.

[00:19:52] Why would you, why even bother?

[00:19:57] Is this a bit or seriously, like at this point, I got to ask, is this a skit?

[00:20:04] Is this a bit to quote Keith Larson?

[00:20:06] Right?

[00:20:07] Come on now.

[00:20:09] No preference.

[00:20:11] 40% no preference.

[00:20:14] Two thousand thirty two votes for no preference.

[00:20:18] Now John says he was surprised that somebody going by the name time traveler did not do

[00:20:23] better.

[00:20:24] And that is true.

[00:20:27] The top vote tainer was no preference.

[00:20:31] Second place with 13% of the votes was Chase Oliver.

[00:20:36] And then third with 9% of the votes was David Dunlap.

[00:20:43] But in in between his first and middle name, he's got a parentheses, like

[00:20:46] a nickname in there.

[00:20:48] And while you would be mistaken, I understand for calling him time traveler, I did as well.

[00:20:54] However, upon closer inspection, his name is not in fact David time traveler Dunlap. His name is David Trim-Tavaller Dunlap. So the R from traveler has been moved

[00:21:14] and inserted in the first word of time. So instead of time traveler, it's Trim-Tavaller.

[00:21:22] We are through the looking glass here, people. I don't know

[00:21:25] what it means. I'm sure it means something. I don't know if it's Q associated or not.

[00:21:31] I don't care. But yeah, that's the, it's got to be the most libertarian outcome ever.

[00:21:41] Then I had, oh, Gary said it sounds like Dan McCorkel was saying that people don't

[00:21:47] want woke and they want safety, but he doesn't seem to be able to say that it's the Democrats

[00:21:52] driving the division as they race further left.

[00:21:58] Yeah, I don't know if that's, and look, I've made this argument before, like why should

[00:22:03] Republicans help to build cities, right?

[00:22:06] Why should conservatives do that?

[00:22:08] Because once they build the city and it becomes a successful city, then Democrats move in

[00:22:14] and then they remove all of the Republicans or conservatives and then you don't have any

[00:22:20] representation any longer.

[00:22:22] And I think that's where we are in Charlotte.

[00:22:24] It's where they are in Asheville and in Raleigh and in you know

[00:22:28] Durham they don't have any kind of throttle on

[00:22:34] Their party and so it's all internal and I think that's why you saw what happened with Pat Gotham

[00:22:40] That's why that happens is because they're settling internal party scores

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[00:23:54] All right, I got a piece of audio here.

[00:23:57] It's not, it's not from North Carolina.

[00:23:59] It's not about any of the particular races, but it is about one of the animating issues.

[00:24:08] Now, yesterday you may recall I had Speaker of the House Tim Moore on the show and Tim

[00:24:16] Moore was running and won his primary for the congressional seat west of Charlotte in

[00:24:23] the 14th congressional district.

[00:24:25] And he said, everybody he talks to, immigration is like the top issue.

[00:24:31] Everyone.

[00:24:33] And because look, I understand, you know, being, you know, in conservative talk radio, immigration

[00:24:38] has been a top issue for, for us and this audience and me for 20 years.

[00:24:44] So it's always hard to gauge whether or not

[00:24:46] this is breaking through to the gen pop, you know,

[00:24:49] the general population.

[00:24:51] Well, it is.

[00:24:55] It has gotten so bad that media

[00:24:59] cannot cover up the story any longer.

[00:25:06] cover up the story any longer. This is what occurred on MSNBC last night.

[00:25:10] This is Jen Paseki, she of the circling back fame, right, former White House spokesperson,

[00:25:18] Joy Reed, the racist, and Rachel Maddow, and Nicole Wallace,

[00:25:25] former Republican comms gal.

[00:25:28] So they're sitting around the table last night

[00:25:32] and they're providing their analysis, okay?

[00:25:37] And the topic of immigration comes up,

[00:25:39] you're gonna hear this is Jen Pasecki.

[00:25:41] I mean, if you look at some of these exit polls,

[00:25:42] I mean, I live in Virginia.

[00:25:44] Immigration was the number one issue.

[00:25:46] I mean again these could change in Virginia.

[00:25:49] Well Virginia does have a border with West Virginia.

[00:25:51] Very contested there.

[00:25:53] Build a wall.

[00:25:54] What?

[00:25:55] I mean if you look at some of these exit polls, I mean I live in Virginia.

[00:25:58] Immigration was the number one issue.

[00:26:00] I mean again these could change in Virginia.

[00:26:03] Well Virginia does have a border with West Virginia.

[00:26:06] Very, very contested there.

[00:26:08] You're like, what?

[00:26:11] They're mocking you.

[00:26:14] They either don't know, and I would submit they probably don't.

[00:26:18] It's probably both.

[00:26:19] They don't know, and they don't care.

[00:26:22] They're mocking the people who responded to their exit polls.

[00:26:26] I mean, think about that.

[00:26:27] People are leaving the voting booth and they're telling pollsters that their top concern is

[00:26:34] immigration and these talking heads on MSNBC laugh at them.

[00:26:41] Why?

[00:26:42] Because they don't think it's the real issue. It's really the number one

[00:26:47] issue. Oh, come on now. That's you're crazy. They live in a bubble. Bill Malugin from Fox

[00:26:55] News, he pointed out just two weeks ago, because Jen Psaki saying there that she lives in northern

[00:27:00] Virginia, shocker of shockers.

[00:27:07] But in Virginia, two weeks ago, an illegal alien from Venezuela was arrested and charged

[00:27:10] with sexually assaulting a 14-year-old girl

[00:27:13] in Campbell County, Virginia.

[00:27:15] He had crossed illegally into El Paso, Texas,

[00:27:18] back in September and was released into the US

[00:27:21] by the federal government.

[00:27:24] There's another story of a state trooper that was murdered by an illegal alien yesterday.

[00:27:30] This is going to keep happening.

[00:27:32] And as it keeps happening, this story breaks through.

[00:27:37] And now regular people who don't follow politics, but they see some news stories, right?

[00:27:43] They see headlines they see on Facebook or something and when you start seeing more and more and more and more of these stories coming through

[00:27:52] Now it becomes a concern for you and these people are mocking

[00:27:57] Folks who have that as their top concern which I

[00:28:02] Encourage you to continue doing that. Please, by all means, continue mocking people

[00:28:09] for their concern about immigration as the top issue.

[00:28:11] All right, that'll do it for this episode.

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