Deconstructing a seminar caller; sub chucker busted (08-14-2025--Hour3)

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He called in yester day under another name, and I forget what the other name was that he called in. But and there's also a bit of a delay, and that I noticed the first time I talked with him last week, I think it was when he called in as Chester and and me being a radio broadcast veteran as I am, and one who has worked in various forms, first as a reporter and then as a host, and I like, I can tell when there is some technical thing going on on the line. And I'm not sure if he realizes this or not, but there's a bit of a delay, which is indicative of a recording taking place. And so that's what I detected the last time, was a bit of a delay, And after the call was over, and I thought, oh, that's interesting, like, I think I think he may have been recording me. And it turns out he was. He has a YouTube channel and he apparently Look, I'm not I am not knocking anybody's hobbies. Okay, it may not be for me, it may not be for you. But if somebody is getting enjoyment out of doing some you know, hobby, then that's fine. I have no problem with it. I don't have any problem with him recording me. And you know, from his end of the conversation and putting it on his YouTube channel where his what did we just see was we looked it up during the break seventy eight subscribers. So, as Tony points out on the text line, he's not making a killing. No, that's true. Look, look, content creation is difficult. Okay, take it from me. I've been doing this a while. Creating good content is difficult. There was an old programming director I had years ago. He said, everybody can do a show. Everybody can do a three hour show, right, you get enough advanced notice, right, you put together enough stories and prep and that sort of stuff. Everybody's got a show in them. And most people probably have a week's where the shows that they could that they could do. But can you do a month? Can you do a year? Can you do five? Can you do ten? And here's the thing, it's a bit of a an industry secret for Chester. You never know until you do it. That's the secret. You never know until you do it. There's no way to know if you can do a decade or two decades in this format, in this media. There's no way to know if you've got that in you until you actually hit that milestone. And so like, at some point, maybe it might be tomorrow, it could be today, and I will have nothing left to say. I will feel like I have exhausted all of my talking, which my wife would probably be very happy to hear that. No, And so look, I'm not going to knock him in his hobby. I'm not going to knock the what he thinks is some sort of a niche that he is serving. It's not a very big one, but that's okay, that's all right, like to each their own. But what keeps me going is the question of, like, what are you doing this for now. If it's simply sort of a masturbatory kind of a thing and that's all you're in it for is to hear yourself on your own YouTube channel like that, that's one thing. If it's for another reason, then that's usually going to be more. It's gonna you're more likely to have longevity because if you're doing it for some other reason, which is why I got into this in the first place. And I've talked about this for years because it has been my motivating philosophy going back twenty five years. First as a reporter, which was the fundamental role of the free press, which is to hold government accountable, to inform the citizenry so the people can make decisions on their elected officials and the direction of the country and which policies to support, and so that's been my motivation. That's why I do what I do. And I moved into the hosting position from the reporter position because as a reporter you're constrained, you're not giving opinions on stuff. But most importantly to me was I was very limited in the amount of time I had to tell a story or to go over a topic. And with the long form format like this, I can go into lots of details. And some people say, please Pete stop, there's too many details, But I just ignore them and I just plow ahead and I just keep going because that's to me. This is another lesson from Limbaugh, which this Chester guy he goes by the on the YouTube he's got the what is it called the seminar Caller, that's what he calls his channel, which was an homage to Rush because Rush Limbaugh used to call them seminar callers, and they would always start just like this guy did Chester with saying, oh, I was a lifelong Republican, right and by the way, I did. I listened to like the first ten seconds of one of those clips where he claims to have voted for Trump in twenty sixteen. And so congratulations Chester, You and I have voted for Donald Trump exactly the same amount of times. Yeah, I did not vote for Trump in the first two races. I did vote for him last time. And I explained all of this in twenty four I wrote a whole lot bet about it at the Blaze, which was I voted for Trump as my protest vote, which I always use my presidential vote as a protest vote because I always would usually vote for a Libertarian for president. In twenty twenty when he was running AI, I left it blank. I just left it blank. I I just I didn't want to anybody, And it's a little protest vote. All. It's my vote, but I can do with it what I want, and I choose to use it as a protest and I did. In twenty four I protested the Democrat media establishment, the deep staters, the weaponization of the intelligence community, but most importantly it was the media. It was a protest vote against the media that was gaslighting me and telling me that the president of the United States was not in cognitive decline. And because I know the media is going to hold Donald Trump to a standard, that they are not holding Joe Biden to or Kamala Harris to, nor that they held Obama to. I was there, I saw the whole thing. I covered it and became a host during that time period. I am intimately aware of the way the media covered Obama. I knew the media was going to treat Donald Trump differently. They would hold him more to account than they can any Democrat. So I voted for him in twenty four So there's my backstory, my origin story, and chester, if you're still recording, put this into your clip, because YouTube rewards you for a longer clip rather than the short ones you're putting up there. I'm not actually sure you've been shadow band, buddy. I think it's because your content is too short. See, because you're not staying on the calls long enough because you're saying probably stupid stuff, and then they suss you out and you get ditched off the phones, and so your clips are too short. You got to go longer than ten minutes. So this is my gift to you. Take this segment, tack it on to that call, put it onto your YouTube channel, and now you'll have at least one clip of longer than ten minutes and that might help boost your reach. I mean, not much, but it might help a little because I'm a giver, all right. If you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, and I know you do too. And you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why Well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with ground News. It's an app, and it's a website, and it combines news from around the world in one place so you can compare coverage and verify information. You can check it out at check dot ground, dot news, slash pete. I put the link in the podcast description too. I started using ground News a few months ago and more recently chose to work with them as an affiliate because it lets me see clearly how stories get covered and by whom. The blind spot feature shows you which stories get ignored by the left and the right. See for yourself check dot ground, dot news, slash pete. Subscribe through that link and you'll get fifteen percent off any subscription. I use the Vantage plan to get unlimited access to every feature. Your subscription then not only helps my podcast, but it also supports ground news as they make the media landscape more transparent. U a couple of tweets on the Twitter machine. Apparently people have some thoughts about our seminar caller, so let's see. This is from Melissa who says Chester does a disservice to all cheeto lovers in the nation. Mmmm, it's Chester cheat. Okay. Robert says, per your sage broadcasting advice, anyone can do one three hour show, Well, anyone except Alec Baldwin. Look, I will say this if you've never heard the Alec Baldwin audio when he filled in I forget for whom, but they he got some radio slot and they I think it was a fill in slot, and like every five seconds or ten seconds, he was saying do we have anybody yet? As called in give the number again? And then a right, do we have anybody now? And to this day I'm not sure if that wasn't a bit. I still don't know if Alec Baldwin was just doing a radio bit. I mean, it wasn't funny, but like that, I think that was what he was going for. If it was a bit that he was trying to just do this sort of awkward humor, you know, which has become very popular. But so he was way ahead of his time because that was like what fifteen years ago or something. And I never did listen to the to the whole show that he did because the first you know, five minutes of it was just excruciating. It. It was just bad. But again, I still to this day do not know if that was actually a bit to the text line, Zach says, your conversation with Chuck had me chuckling. Well, you know, he went by Spalding. Today he has called me. I believe it's now four times. See here's the thing. I have a bit of an uncanny memory when it comes to this sort of thing. I remember people when they call me and I talked to them. I remember the sounds of people's voices and so, and certain things that occur on the on the phone and like the pauses and stuff like that. So and I don't know if everybody does that, I'm not sure, but I do. I hear it. I can recognize somebody's voice pretty quickly. And and so when he called, and he also uses very weird names, which is a that's a tell as well. So you may want to go with like a a name like Tony or Sean, so I can I could recognize the voices, but if you were to use just like a regular name, it would be more difficult. But he went by Chester, not Chuck, went by Chester. Sean says, I love your ability to dismantle these callers who call you in bad faith while keeping it entertaining for the listener. Keep up the good work. Thank you, Sean. I appreciate it. I know I appreciate that you appreciate what it was that I was doing and that I do. Okay, so I'm gonna if Chester is even still listening for you know, content creation purposes, because so number one, No, Chester, I do not believe that you are a Republican or ever have been a Republican. I think you are of the left. And here's the thing. I am perfectly willing and able, which may explain why he doesn't want to do so. But I am perfectly willing to engage with you on the substance of an issue, whatever the issue happens to be. I'm fine doing that. Now. If you don't want to do that, and you would just prefer to be a troll, then you're going to get the troll treatment because like I'm perfectly capable of doing that as well. My preference is always to go over the details, do the context, offer nuance, have a discussion because I believe and I've said it many times, probably one hundreds, if not thousands of times over the course of my career, which is unchallenged. Ideas are easy to hold and you don't really know your own argument fully if you don't know your opponent's argument. So if you would like to call and have a debate and argument in the you know, the classical rhetorical style, not like yelling and screaming argument. But if you're if you are interested in having a discussion about topics, I'm happy to do that and you can. You are free to disagree, and you could make your case and I will offer counterpoints and maybe I will end up agreeing with you on some stuff. That's possible as well. But if you are just simply in it for the trolls, well then again I'm gonna I'm going to engage with you as you engage with me, and that's always been my standard for every caller. I engage with them as they engage with me. Alice says Pete, thanks for that, You're welcome, And Jeff says seminar call or. I would attach a jiff of a cat playing with a ball of twine, but I'm guessing the system would block it. I don't Yeah, I don't know. I've seen people post gifts in here. I think. I don't know. On the text line they do, yeah, they do the yeah, the so okay, So full disclosure. If Chester you're still listening, or Spalding or whatever your name is, if you're still listening, so full disclosure. You know, people say, why do you take these calls? Pete? You know they you know they must drive you crazy, and this and that and and you know you get you know, somebody will say, if I'm arguing with them, why do you get mad? You shouldn't calm down all that stuff. It's like, I don't get mad. I'm not getting angry. Does a cat get angry at its ball of yarn? Does a dog get angry at its bone? No? Like this, this is fun. This is me toying with you. So I'm not sure if that's going to influence your discussion or your your decision in the future to call back. But again, like if you engage in bad faith, then I toy with you. That's that's that's what I do. That's look, that's what I do. I Look, I am self aware. I know this about myself. I tell people about that. But again, I would prefer that we have a discussion about the merits of a particular topic, that you know, the actual policies or something. Which is also why, like I can suss out pretty quickly when you start your uh, when you start your call with a bad faith question, that's not really a question that's seeking illumination. It's a question meant to accuse, right with It's an ulterior motive. It's an interrogating tactic, which I recognize. I've been known to use it myself. So yeah, that's that's a dead giveaway right out of the gate. Most hosts can suss that out immediately. So just as a tip for you, don't start off with a stupid bad faith question, because then the gig is up. Do do do you do? That? This is from Joseph that goofy lib calling you and even Brett a right wing authoritarian, because as an actual right wing authoritarian, I can assure him that you two are not right wing authoritarians. Uh, let say, uh, there's something more here. The real debate over the future is actually between the libertarian conservative wing versus the populist national wing. Right now, Libs are basically sidelined getting triggered by American Eagle ads. That's Joseph is correct. There the fight right now inside of the Republican Party. There is a there's a schism between the the populist nationalist wing and the conservatives and uh, a lot of old school libertarian types. Chester must record his call ins for his hand in order to get paid. It's like his time sheet. Oh that's a good I had not considered that we have call our idea. Let's go with Chuckster. That's Chester. Haven't heard from Tony in a while. I always liked it when he tried to make you look like a fool and it never worked out for him. Yeah, that's true. Russ pointed out on Twitter that he says, I'm really shocked with all these daily revelations about the Russia collusion hoax. I'm shocked we're not hearing from Mike, Daisy, Tony, Jackie, et al. I hope they're all doing well and we don't need to do a wellness check. The alternative explanation would be that they are dishonest, insincere hacks, and that would be so disappointing. You know, stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of our past while transcending generations. They help us process the meaning of life, and our stories are told through images and videos. Preserve your stories with Creative Video. Started in nineteen ninety seven in mint Hill, North Carolina. 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I wanted to make a comment about your comment about the Ponzi scheme of Social Security and Chester? Okay? But uh is it one comment about both of those or is it one comment per topic? One comment per topic? All right, So we got to we have a quota here, Okay, So I just want to make sure you're under the quota. Okay, Yeah, I want to make sure you're under the quota. Okay, But any anyway, Chester, those kind of callers, Uh, I think I figured out a long time ago why you and other hosts take those calls. It used to I used to think, well, you know, why do you take those calls? But another part of you just toying with him, like the ball of yarn cat, I would think would be that, you know, it's part of the job of a host to try to change I guess, hearts and minds and make people see the other side of an argument when they can't defend their argument. Instead of just calling names, and I think that's that's why radio hosts like you and the others do it. And also, well, I'll stop you there and say you are correct in large measure. I never I don't ever engage with an argument or in an argument with a person with the expectation that I'm going to convince them they are wrong. Right, because most people, especially if you're calling into a radio show, there's all you know, there's a pressure there. You know, people are listening, you want to perform, You're gonna stick to your guns, You're gonna, you know, scramble for any argument. And so I get that. So my purpose is to never convince somebody that they're wrong. My purpose is to, uh, is to shed light on their argument, so everybody else that's listening to the argument agrees with me. Because those yeah, point maybe I didn't or. No, oh yeah, no, no, I said you are correct in large measure. I just wanted to, yeah, to clarify, like, I'm not trying to convince Chester. I'm trying to convince you everybody else that's listening that maybe doesn't have an opinion about a particular subject. And that's what I was, you know, I was trying to say. And and the other point is, these these people that call in like this, they don't realize a lot of times they're they're harming their own side of the argument. They'recause brings back, you know, sort of the old saying I heard a long time ago from somebody. It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. Yes, but Ray, why did you just you divulge the secret? Yeah? I was worried about doing that thing. Why are you telling him that? Yeah? But anyway, that's a heads up for Chester that maybe he shouldn't have got. See Ray is Ray, you are also a giver, I can tell. Well, thank you, Peter. The other thing on the Social Security I've heard other people make remarks, and I've always thought it was a Ponsi scheme. And I've heard other people make remarks, two or three people I've talked with, and they make the good talking points that it's for this reason or that reason, it's not a Ponzi scheme because the government's involved, et cetera, et cetera. And you know, I read a book one time, well, I bought a book. It was something like social Security for dummies, and it was written by the AAARP, which we know how that is. And also you know they've made the same points in there that they had various reasons, and they were good reasons that Social Security is not a ponzi scheme for this reason or that. But I think I think you can confirm, and I wish you would, that Social Security really is legalized ponzi scheme? Am I correct on that? Well, I mean that's my view of it. I've heard also people make the argument that it is not. I don't find those arguments to be persuasive. My assessment is from my understanding of a ponzi scheme is that it is asking people to buy in with the promise of a return at a later date. And what the supporters will say is that the Social Security is not because there is a guarantee from the government that you will get paid your money back. But I don't believe that to be a guarantee. So yeah, right, I don't either pay right, And that's why I suspect at some point, like yes, you may get your money back from the Social Security Administration, but they may also or the government may also then be taxing you on all sorts of other retirement investment vehicles like the four to one K, which when you cash out, when you start drawing down, I should say, when you start taking your payment, you're going to be paying an income tax on that, and so what are the income taxes going to be? McCollum, I apologize for giving away one of the secrets about. Its all right, Ray, I appreciate it, Yes, sir, you two to take care. Speaking of Social Security, I just saw this. The President just did another Q and a kind of announcement from the Oval Office. He was talking about Social Security and he's talking about the transformation of the program after four years of mismanagement. He says they have reduced field office weight times by thirty percent, they have reduced call weight times by eighty percent while handling twice as many calls, and they now have twenty four to seven three sixty five online account access. So some of the reforms that I'm assuming this is related to the DOGE stuff. Remember when they when they were going through and they were identifying all of these you know, antiquated systems and stuff. So I suspect that's got something to do with it. But yeah, the modernization is long long overdue. All right, have you heard the story about the sub chucker, a guy who threw a sub at a cop in DC or I think it was DC. Yeah, because it wasn't a cop. I think it was actually a National guardsman or something, but it may have been a police officer. I've got the story here. I'll get to in a minute. I just would point out, like Stephen Miller over at the Spectator making a prediction that Jim Acosta is apparently now going to interview an AI generated Jared Fogel for a response to the sub assault. Terrible, terrible. Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of Asheville is your connection. Whether you're celebrating an anniversary, a honeymoon, maybe you want to plan a memorable proposal, or get family and friends together for a big old reunion. Cabins of Asheville has the ideal spot for you where you can reconnect with your loved ones and the things that truly matter, Nestled within the breath taking fourteen thousand acres of the Pisga National Forest. 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I don't believe in insurance is its own thing. Like you're betting you're not gonna die. So you buy the life policy and they're betting you will die at some point or no vice versas sorry, you're betting. Yeah, you're betting you will die. There, they're betting it that you won't. So Mike says social Security is an unfunded pension program, and somebody says, my wife had to talk to social Security and can't speak to anyone until October. Good lord, that's terrible. Try the website. Okay, So let me get to this sub chucker story. It's a terrible, terrible story. New York Post a man who used a subway sandwich to attack. I don't know why I said it, like that he used a subway sandwich, which, okay, do we know it was a subway sandwich. It was definitely like a foot long. It was a sub or but like that could have come from steak in HOGI, you know, Jersey. Mike's like, I did not see the rapper. It was night, it was dark, couldn't really make out the The wrapper of the video is grainy, you know, so I couldn't really tell if it was actually a subway sandwich. But either way, they're getting a ton of publicity out of all of this because a guy used the sandwich to attack a federal agent on the streets of Washington, DC earlier this week. So, if you haven't seen the video, some like raging lunatic in like a pink polo shirt or something and some khaki shorts walks up to one of these federal agents that are there as part of the mobilization of troops to help clamp down on crime in Washington, DC, and he starts berating one of these officers, like gets right up in his face. He's like three or four feet away from him, maybe closer. He's yelling at him and yelling at him. The officer's not doing anything, just standing there. And finally the guy just takes the sub in his hand like he had obviously just purchased this sub. It's a fully wrapped looks like a brand new sub and he just throws it at the at the cops chest, which obviously did not end well for him. Okay, he was he was taken down. He started running away, but they chased him down, they took him down, they arrested him, and now he has been identified as Sean Charles Dunn, thirty seven years old, and he is now being charged with a felony, which I'm torn on this one because on the one hand, I have no tolerance you lay hands on a on an agent, on a law enforcement like you lay hands on them like you yeah, you get what the laws coming, and like that's usually a felony. So like on that front, I'm fine. On the other hand, it's it's a sub. You know, it was a sandwich, so like it's not it's not like assault with a deadly weapon, right, although I say that, I'm not really sure what was in the sub, So like if it was some hard salami like that might be that could be. Or what if it was like a bunch of those hot peppers, like you put a bunch of the peppercinos or whatever in there, like some really hot jalipinos, like some of that could have splashed into an eye that like maybe, So I'd have to know. I would have to know what the ingredients on the sub were. I think, like was it a number six or was it a number eight? You know, I think that should be part of the mitigating or extenuating circumstances or aggravating circumstances, I should say. So. The criminal case was announced yesterday by DC attorney US Attorney Janine Piro, who said in a statement that quote, the police are not out there to get pushed around or beat up. Done was allegedly captured, Well, he wasn't allegedly captured on video. He was captured on video. He was shouting at that a group of federal officers were fascists, before whipping his Deli sandwich at them and striking a US Customs and Border Protection agent in the chest, which I know what you're thinking. Yes, the agent did appear to be wearing a vest which took most of the impact, so it's good news, like, thank goodness, And yes it was, and it was one of the outer carrier vests, it appeared, so it wasn't one that was like under his uniform or anything like. Our CMPD chief demanded and refused to let the tactical vests be used for our officers until, of course, he was shamed publicly into doing so, and then he got his feelings hurt about the shaming, and so he went and said he was going to sue the city. Never actually sued the city, but the city council paid him a bunch of money anyway, And now he's retiring. So anyway, like they were wearing the outer carrier vests, which I think in this case, I don't want to exaggerate this at all, but I think it's pretty clear that saved the agent's life, right. The criminal complaint says that Donn confessed to a DC police officer, so he cracked, he broke. He immediately broke under interrogation, saying I did it. I threw a sandwich Sean Davis at the Federalist. And this has now been confirmed that the sub chucker was hired into the Department of Justice. This guy is a DOJ employee. He was hired in twenty twenty two during the Biden administration. He was promoted right before Donald Trump took over. He served as a non attorney specializing in international affairs. He has been fired, as I understand it now, which yes, obviously he should be. Wait, Chris, Chris wanted to talk about this too. Hello Chris, welcome to the show Man. You stole my thunder. Sorry, good job, good jobs. But here's a little caveat I sawn TikTok. It was outside of a gay club, so I know, be on a shadow of a doubt, it had to be a meat ballt Mayor and Aioso. Oh my goodness. No, you know what, I'm curious, did anybody scream this is Maga Country. I'm sure they did it. It was running down the street probably. So like yeah, I mean, I don't know the last time I saw a sub that was involved in an assault. There was a noose involved, right, people were screaming this is Maga Country during a blizzard polar vortex, and they attacked that famous actor from all of those award winning movies Juicy smole A and so oh yeah, yeah, yeah, well there, but there's that. That was the first like, and that's the first sign that one of these stories was not true. Was that in the Juicy smole A attack, the sub remained intact. Right, I'll tell your listeners google Dave Chappelle on this. Oh yes, that's where that is what I why I call him Juicy Smolle. It is an homage to Dave Chappelle. Chris, I appreciate the call, buddy, good to hear from you. No, that's the clear sign that one of these cases was not a real assault because the subs after the assaults take place, the subs are in different states. One was in Chicago and one was in DC, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about one was intact. Jesse Smollett's sub remains completely intact, but this sub disintegrated upon impact. I'll leave it to you to decide which one may or may not have been the actual sub assault. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. You can also become a patron at my Patreon page or go to thepetecleanershow dot com. Again, thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.