Could a Bezos-Musk alliance break the media fever? (10-31-2024--Hour3)

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[00:00:28] Yesterday, I talked a little bit about, I think it was yesterday, maybe the day before, about Jeff Bezos and his op-ed that he wrote in his own newspaper. He owns the Washington Post, right? He is the founder of Amazon. He bought the Washington Post like over a decade ago. It's been losing money, losing readers, and they, he put out the word, we're not going to do a presidential endeavor.

[00:00:58] He made a presidential endorsement this year. And the leftist activists with bylines that are employed by him at the Washington Post lost their minds. Well, lost what's left of their minds. And they, like some of them got together, well, some of them quit. Some of them got together and wrote pieces that were then published in the Washington Post attacking the boss.

[00:01:22] They put out a video on their TikTok channel, attacking the boss, accusing him basically of corruption. And just like the, the, the, the arrogance, right? The hubris to think that, like that you're protected because I'm a journalist or something like you work. This guy owns the newspaper.

[00:01:49] He, you know, and you may not like his politics or whatever, but like he made the argument in that op-ed that I went over the other day.

[00:01:55] He made the argument that what they're doing is not working. You guys, like what he basically said, let me sum it up. You guys have broken this thing.

[00:02:06] Your overt partisan bias has broken the Washington Post. People don't trust us. They don't trust so much of the media anymore.

[00:02:18] So I'm not going to keep funding these, these millions and millions and millions of dollars in annual losses.

[00:02:25] I'm not going to keep funding this when you guys are breaking the product. So we're going to change course and it's going to be difficult.

[00:02:34] And if some people need to leave, there's the door. And some people did know, not Jennifer Rubin.

[00:02:40] And she's still there. But Jonathan Turley wrote a piece about Bezos, also Elon Musk.

[00:02:51] He said, and he published this at Fox. He said, this is about the expanding boycott of the Washington Post by Democrat politicians, pundits, and members of the press.

[00:03:08] The reason for this boycott that the left is now agitating?

[00:03:15] Because owner Jeff Bezos wants to stay politically neutral and leave the matter to the public.

[00:03:22] In an age of advocacy journalism, the return to neutrality is intolerable.

[00:03:28] And the reaction by these leftists is itself revealing, he says.

[00:03:36] By the way, one of the suggestions that was offered up, I believe it was by a writer named Streif, S-T-R-E-I-F-F, Streif or Streif, Streif, Streif, whatever, at redstate.com.

[00:03:55] He said, if you really want a show of good faith, you really want to send a message, give back the Pulitzer that you won for the crossfire hurricane coverage.

[00:04:05] Because all of that was crap.

[00:04:08] It was all garbage.

[00:04:10] To borrow a line from Joe Biden.

[00:04:12] It was all garbage.

[00:04:14] All your anonymous sources, they played you.

[00:04:16] You guys, that's the thing that's hilarious and sad at the same time, which is you guys got rolled.

[00:04:24] Or you were actively participating in it.

[00:04:27] And you knew it wasn't true.

[00:04:28] And you engaged as a propagandist for the intelligence agencies.

[00:04:34] Because Orange Man bad and democracy and all that.

[00:04:38] So you were either willing participants in a propaganda effort, a propaganda op that was run against the American people.

[00:04:46] And by the way, that did affect the outcome of the election.

[00:04:49] The polling shows that one out of six Biden voters would have not voted for him had they thought that the laptop story was real.

[00:04:59] But they were told it wasn't.

[00:05:02] We've never gotten an apology for any of that.

[00:05:04] And that one out of six Biden voters would have swung the election to Trump again.

[00:05:09] So this is why I say, yes, there was election interference.

[00:05:12] There was.

[00:05:13] Big tech censored the story.

[00:05:16] The corporate media fell in line.

[00:05:20] They cited their, you know, 51 intelligence.

[00:05:23] I heard Chad Adams was filling in for Vince Coakley today.

[00:05:28] And he had a very good discussion.

[00:05:31] With caller Mike, who is Mike Daisley, the former Democrat Party, Mecklenburg County lawyer.

[00:05:38] He was the lawyer for the Mecklenburg County Democrat Party.

[00:05:40] He's former, I think, candidate, too.

[00:05:42] I think he ran for something as well at some point.

[00:05:46] And Chad kept dragging him back to this point about the Steele dossier and the effect that it had.

[00:05:54] The Hunter Biden laptop story as well.

[00:05:56] The effect that it had on the election and on Trump's presidency.

[00:06:00] And the larger problem that it poses.

[00:06:02] See, here's the thing.

[00:06:04] When you come out and say, oh, well, you know, Joe Biden didn't call all of Trump supporters garbage.

[00:06:11] When we can listen to the audio and hear that, yes, in fact, he did.

[00:06:15] Here's the thing.

[00:06:17] Even if he didn't.

[00:06:18] Even if he did say it was about the comic, the insult comic.

[00:06:23] And there's a missing apostrophe there.

[00:06:26] Even if that were true.

[00:06:28] We still don't believe you.

[00:06:30] You know why?

[00:06:32] Because of everything I've just outlined.

[00:06:34] The Steele dossier.

[00:06:35] The Hunter Biden laptop.

[00:06:38] Right.

[00:06:38] Find the good people on both sides.

[00:06:40] Right.

[00:06:41] These lies.

[00:06:42] The constant barrage of lies.

[00:06:46] All in service.

[00:06:48] To the Democrat machine.

[00:06:50] And the this what people call the deep state.

[00:06:53] Right.

[00:06:54] The agencies, the bureaucracy.

[00:06:56] At the federal level.

[00:06:57] In the intelligence community.

[00:07:01] And so now you've got Elon Musk buying Twitter.

[00:07:06] And dismantling the censorship infrastructure that existed at Twitter.

[00:07:11] And look at what they're doing to him now.

[00:07:14] He's got he's got investigations coming at him from like a dozen different federal agencies all of a sudden.

[00:07:21] This guy was he was the golden child of the left.

[00:07:25] This was a guy who made electric cars.

[00:07:28] They loved him.

[00:07:30] He wants to go to Mars.

[00:07:32] You know why?

[00:07:33] Because he thinks that this planet is going to be dead because of climate change.

[00:07:39] This guy was a poster child for the left.

[00:07:43] And now he's Satan.

[00:07:47] Because he has seen what's occurring.

[00:07:51] He has seen this behind the scenes.

[00:07:53] He's like this is not healthy.

[00:07:55] And now you got Bezos who comes out and says not.

[00:07:58] He's not even endorsing Trump.

[00:08:00] He's not even he's not coming out and saying like I love the orange man.

[00:08:03] He's not even saying that.

[00:08:04] He's coming out and saying we should be neutral.

[00:08:06] We should be trying to regain the public's trust in the Washington Post.

[00:08:11] Because what we've been doing for the last 15 years is destroying the paper.

[00:08:15] Which is of course the you know wolf in sheep's clothing analogy again.

[00:08:20] It is you know the Marxists come into an institution.

[00:08:25] They kill it.

[00:08:26] They gut it.

[00:08:27] Right.

[00:08:27] They scrape out all the innards and then they wear it as a skin suit.

[00:08:31] And then demand that you bestow upon it the prestige and the credibility and the respect and honor that not the wolf earned.

[00:08:42] But the sheep prior in all the years prior that all of the credibility and the institutional influence and respect and credibility that had been built up over all that time by all those people that did all that work.

[00:08:59] And then you come in and you gut it and then you demand that we salute you as if you did what all of those people before you had done when in fact you've killed it.

[00:09:11] And so Bezos is like we're stopping this.

[00:09:14] And now they're launching boycotts against not just Washington Post but Amazon.

[00:09:21] Any other business that he's involved in.

[00:09:23] They're like we need to boycott all of them.

[00:09:26] Jonathan Turley.

[00:09:29] Who is the.

[00:09:31] What's the.

[00:09:32] The Shapiro professor of public interest law at George Washington University.

[00:09:36] He's also the author of the indispensable right free speech in an age of rage.

[00:09:43] He says it's a familiar pattern for many of us on a smaller scale who used to be associated with the left as Turley was.

[00:09:50] And faced cancel campaigns for questioning the orthodoxy in the media or academia.

[00:09:58] But something fascinating has happened.

[00:10:01] Bezos stood his ground.

[00:10:05] And you see what's happening.

[00:10:08] Tell me who the authoritarians actually are.

[00:10:12] I go back to the op-ed that I wrote for the blaze.

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[00:11:31] Going over this piece, jonathanturley.org is the website.

[00:11:35] jonathanturley.org

[00:11:37] And he says, he's talking about Jeff Bezos, Washington Post owner, and how he said, no, we're not going to do an endorsement.

[00:11:47] And, you know, outrage ensued.

[00:11:49] And Turley is defending Bezos and Elon Musk.

[00:11:53] He says, the left has made an art form of flash mob politics.

[00:11:58] And that is so true.

[00:11:59] In many ways, right?

[00:12:01] In many ways, it's just this, you know, what appears to be instantaneous, grassroots kind of movement thing.

[00:12:10] When, in fact, what is a flash mob?

[00:12:12] A flash mob is organized.

[00:12:14] Right?

[00:12:15] A flash mob.

[00:12:15] You've seen flash mob, like the dancing videos and stuff where, you know, some people are just like hanging out at a mall.

[00:12:21] And all of a sudden, it appears like these random people that have no idea what's going on.

[00:12:26] And then they just start all dancing and they're doing the same exact choreographed moves.

[00:12:30] Like, that is not spontaneous.

[00:12:33] That is planned.

[00:12:36] Flash mob politics.

[00:12:38] Flash mob politics.

[00:12:40] AstroTurfing is another example of this.

[00:12:43] There's a big series of stories that was done over at, I believe it's the Federalist.

[00:12:48] And I have it here in the stack of stuff.

[00:12:50] I'm not going to have time to get to it today.

[00:12:51] But this AstroTurfing, it gives the impression that there is a larger movement with a greater number of people involved in it than there actually are.

[00:13:03] It's not a real grassroots movement.

[00:13:05] It is designed to look like a grassroots movement, but it is, in fact, artificial.

[00:13:10] That's why it's called AstroTurfing.

[00:13:12] Right?

[00:13:13] Rush Limbaugh discovered this and talked about this when he was targeted for boycotts.

[00:13:17] He went out and hired, like, a private investigation firm and stuff.

[00:13:21] And they went through and they broke it down.

[00:13:23] It turned out, like, all of these thousands of emails that were being generated and hitting the advertisers, they were all coming from, like, a dozen accounts.

[00:13:33] Right?

[00:13:34] AstroTurf.

[00:13:34] Flash mob.

[00:13:35] Flash mob.

[00:13:37] Trushing opposition with the threat of economic or professional ruin.

[00:13:42] Jonathan Turley says most cave to this pressure, including business leaders like Mark Zuckerberg, founder of the Facebook, now called Meta.

[00:13:53] That record came to a screeching halt when the unstoppable force of the left met the immovable object of Elon Musk.

[00:14:01] The left continues to oppose his government contracts and pressure his advertisers over his refusal to restore the prior censorship system at X, formerly Twitter.

[00:14:13] Now, the left may be creating another defiant billionaire.

[00:14:17] This week, Bezos penned an op-ed that doubled down on his decision not to endorse a presidential candidate now or in the future.

[00:14:26] Some of us have argued for newspapers to stop all political endorsements and have argued that for decades.

[00:14:34] The encouraging aspect of the encouraging aspect of the encouraging aspect of the encouraging aspect of the encouraging of the president's column was that he not only recognized the corrosive effect of endorsements on maintaining neutrality as a media organization, but he also recognized that the Washington Post is facing plummeting revenues, declining readership.

[00:14:55] And it's due to the perceived bias and activism.

[00:15:02] Jeff Bezos could do for the media what Musk did for free speech.

[00:15:09] He could create a bulwark against advocacy journalism, which, by the way, this is an explicitly stated overt endeavor and effort.

[00:15:25] People inside these journalistic institutions have been very clear, very upfront that they do not want to report from what they call a voice from nowhere.

[00:15:38] This objective kind of removed passive voice kind of thing like they want to tell you what's right, what's wrong.

[00:15:46] This advocacy journalism, this taking of sides.

[00:15:51] He could create this bulwark against advocacy journalism in one of the premier newspapers in the world.

[00:15:58] Students in journalism schools today are being told to abandon neutrality and objectivity since, as the former New York Times writer and now Howard University journalism professor Nicole Hannah-Jones has explained, quote, all journalism is activism.

[00:16:14] Once again, I find myself thankful, grateful that Nicole Hannah-Jones was not hired by UNC Chapel Hill.

[00:16:25] Thank goodness for that.

[00:16:26] And she's at Howard University.

[00:16:28] OK, let me get to some phone calls here.

[00:16:31] Mary's been on for a very long time.

[00:16:32] Hello, Mary.

[00:16:33] Welcome to the show.

[00:16:35] Mary.

[00:16:36] OK, she's not there.

[00:16:38] She was waiting a long time.

[00:16:39] How about Ed?

[00:16:40] Ed was also waiting a long time.

[00:16:41] Hello, Ed.

[00:16:43] Hey, Pete.

[00:16:44] Great show today.

[00:16:45] You mentioned Crossfire Hurricane earlier.

[00:16:47] And every time I hear that, it's like hitting an exposed nerve in my tooth.

[00:16:52] And it caused me to lose all faith in the FDA.

[00:16:54] I agree with you 100 percent.

[00:16:56] They need to be tore down at least the leadership.

[00:16:59] We need to keep in mind there are some good agents still in there.

[00:17:02] Right.

[00:17:02] And they're coming forth.

[00:17:03] People like Steve Friend.

[00:17:05] But you've talked pretty extensively about Crossfire Hurricane, and I have never heard you bring up the Brookings Institute.

[00:17:13] And to me, they are central in that story.

[00:17:17] Fiona Hill, she's a senior fellow at the Brookings Institute.

[00:17:20] She also was Trump's national security advisor that testified against him in the first impeachment.

[00:17:28] She also introduced Christopher Steele and one of the most interesting figures, Charles Dolan Jr., and Igor Danchenko.

[00:17:38] So she brought that trio together.

[00:17:40] And there's your story right there.

[00:17:42] Now, probably the most interesting person in that story was the president of the Brookings Institute.

[00:17:50] His name is Strode Talbot.

[00:17:51] Are you familiar with him?

[00:17:52] Mm-hmm.

[00:17:53] Okay.

[00:17:54] Well, he's the president.

[00:17:55] He's the one getting the story from Christopher Steele.

[00:17:58] He's feeding it to the DOJ.

[00:18:00] Now, Talbot goes all the way back to Oxford with Bill Clinton, served as deputy secretary under Clinton.

[00:18:08] And this is what really kills me.

[00:18:10] He's got a brother-in-law who's a journalist by the name of Cody Shearer.

[00:18:15] And he's also working on a dossier.

[00:18:18] That dossier is not talked about very much.

[00:18:21] But you've got a connection with two dossiers, two fake dossiers from a long-term Clinton family member.

[00:18:30] Go ahead.

[00:18:31] I'm sorry.

[00:18:31] Yeah, I was going to say the Brookings Institute has long been, and it's not the only one,

[00:18:35] but it's long been one of these revolving door think tanks.

[00:18:39] Like, this is the thing.

[00:18:41] The left has built up over the last, I don't know, 40 years.

[00:18:45] Because they've built up a bullpen, and they just kind of move all of these people from the think tank space or from academia,

[00:18:53] and they all just roll into the government jobs, and then they implement all of this stuff.

[00:18:58] And I guess maybe that's why they're so hypersensitive to the Project 2025 stuff that comes from the Heritage Foundation,

[00:19:04] because in their side of the aisle, right, they write the think tank stuff,

[00:19:10] and they go into their offices once a Democrat is elected president, and they then implement everything.

[00:19:17] And so that's what they're super afraid of happening, I guess.

[00:19:22] Whereas, like, on the conservative side, no, the think tank papers, they never go anywhere.

[00:19:27] They just...

[00:19:28] Yeah, and the Brookings Institute is one of those...

[00:19:31] Yeah, it's one of the marquee ones.

[00:19:33] I guess for me, Pete, the thing that I have a problem with is, to me, that's like the biggest part of the story.

[00:19:39] Now, there's a lot of places you can start with that story.

[00:19:42] You can start with Fusion GPS, which goes all the way back.

[00:19:45] Glenn Simpson's wife goes all the way back to Arkansas, worked for Hillary Clinton.

[00:19:50] Her father was a huge donor to Bill Clinton.

[00:19:53] But to me, the big story is the Brookings Institute.

[00:19:58] That's where your story's at.

[00:19:59] And then the collusion of the FBI.

[00:20:02] And when I think that McCabe and who, who, Coney, when I think that they are getting pensioned, when they really should be sitting in prison, it just makes me sick to my stomach.

[00:20:14] Yeah, no, I agree, Ed.

[00:20:15] I appreciate the call.

[00:20:16] It's...

[00:20:17] The whole thing is...

[00:20:18] The whole thing is corrupt.

[00:20:20] And the whole relationship...

[00:20:22] I tend to come down harder because, like, I know what the Brookings Institute is.

[00:20:26] We all know what that is, right?

[00:20:28] It's a left-wing think tank.

[00:20:29] It's a jobs program in order to park people there so then they can just springboard into...

[00:20:36] It's basically a shadow government in waiting, right?

[00:20:39] We all know what that is.

[00:20:42] The corruption inside the DOJ is the problem because, like, they've got the monopoly on force.

[00:20:49] They can deprive us of life and liberty.

[00:20:54] And so, to the extent that they are willing to be partners with the Brookings people, like, that's, to me, the problem.

[00:21:04] Jonathan Turley writing about Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk, this...

[00:21:11] They're not...

[00:21:11] It's not a partnership.

[00:21:13] Musk and Bezos, they're competitors in a lot of stuff.

[00:21:16] But they are now two very powerful men that have joined this fight.

[00:21:21] And not that they're...

[00:21:23] Well, Musk is pro-Trump.

[00:21:25] But Bezos is not.

[00:21:28] But what they are is pro-preservation of society's institutions.

[00:21:36] And Bezos is recognizing what's happening inside the Washington Post and why it's happening.

[00:21:42] And is trying to turn the tide there.

[00:21:49] And Jonathan Turley, who himself is of the left and has been targeted by the left because he was pointing out,

[00:21:56] hey, some of these Democrats are not...

[00:21:59] They're not acting constitutionally.

[00:22:02] He said,

[00:22:02] Few people can stand up to this movement other than a Bezos or a Musk.

[00:22:07] However, the left has long created their own monsters by demanding absolute fealty or unleashing absolute cancel campaigns.

[00:22:16] Right?

[00:22:17] If you veer off course, they'll destroy you.

[00:22:20] And the people who are of that side, of that movement on the left, right, they don't want to get canceled out of it.

[00:22:27] And sometimes they make a mistake and they say something wrong or whatever and they find themselves, you know,

[00:22:32] surrounded now by all of these who they thought were their allies.

[00:22:36] And then they're...

[00:22:38] Now they're on the outs.

[00:22:40] And you've jeopardized their entire livelihood.

[00:22:43] And then they come with the apology, oh, I'm so sorry, I didn't mean that and all this.

[00:22:49] Turley says,

[00:22:50] Simply because Bezos wants his newspaper to restore neutrality,

[00:22:53] the left is calling for a boycott of not just the Washington Post, but all of his companies.

[00:22:58] And that is precisely what they did with Elon Musk.

[00:23:01] A Bezos-Musk alliance would be truly a thing to behold.

[00:23:07] They could give the push for the restoration of free speech and the free press

[00:23:13] a real chance to create a beachhead to regain the ground that we have lost in the last two decades.

[00:23:20] The left will accept nothing short of total capitulation and Bezos does not appear willing to pay that price.

[00:23:26] Instead, he could not just save the Post, but American journalism from itself.

[00:23:32] If so, all I can say is welcome to the fight, Mr. Bezos.

[00:23:37] Brian Stelter, who's a potato, now got hired back at CNN.

[00:23:45] And he posts this onto Twitter.

[00:23:47] He says, an anonymous TV executive told him, quote,

[00:23:51] If half the country has decided that Trump is qualified to be president,

[00:23:55] that means they're not reading any of this media and we have lost this audience completely.

[00:24:01] A Trump victory means mainstream media is dead in its current form.

[00:24:10] Look, I can only vote one time here.

[00:24:13] Like, I've already said I'm voting for him, Brian.

[00:24:16] Stop trying to, like, stop selling me!

[00:24:21] So I mentioned earlier, I made a reference to the, you know,

[00:24:27] president calling Trump supporters garbage,

[00:24:28] and then there was this big thing about the apostrophes.

[00:24:31] I covered it yesterday in depth.

[00:24:32] I'm not going to go over it all again.

[00:24:33] Again, my fellow garbageans are aware of what the intent of that statement was, I think.

[00:24:41] And all of the Halloween costumes are proving it.

[00:24:43] But Zito, or sorry, Selena Zito, she goes by Zito Selena.

[00:24:50] She's a reporter, right?

[00:24:51] She travels around the country talking to regular people,

[00:24:56] and then people are like, I can't believe you did this story.

[00:24:58] And then she turns out to be correct on this stuff.

[00:25:00] So, she said, reporters tying themselves in knots,

[00:25:04] trying to change apostrophes and facts, missed two points.

[00:25:09] At least half of the American people do not trust you,

[00:25:12] and are not swayed by your authority.

[00:25:16] Okay?

[00:25:17] We don't believe you.

[00:25:19] We don't trust you.

[00:25:21] That's what Bezos was talking about as well.

[00:25:23] The trust in the American media is lower than trust in Congress.

[00:25:28] Like, I think herpes has a higher approval rating than the media.

[00:25:35] Number two, half of America has known for decades that Democrats view them as garbage.

[00:25:43] And how do they know that?

[00:25:45] Because they've been told that by the Democrats.

[00:25:48] Like, so, there isn't any reason why when Biden says this thing and people are like,

[00:25:55] oh, I knew it.

[00:25:56] And then you're like trying to run interference and cover this thing up like,

[00:26:00] oh, he didn't say that.

[00:26:01] There was an apostrophe there and all this.

[00:26:03] Nobody believes you.

[00:26:04] So, you cannot convince us that our own ears and eyes were wrong because we don't believe you.

[00:26:10] And, by the way, we believe that Biden was expressing a sentiment he holds.

[00:26:16] Which is fine.

[00:26:17] You can believe half the country is garbage.

[00:26:20] I mean, it's not a position I hold, but it's not surprising.

[00:26:24] I saw his speech in Philadelphia with the red backdrop.

[00:26:29] Now, according to Edison Podcast Metrics,

[00:26:33] Trump went on the Joe Rogan show the other day.

[00:26:36] J.D. Vance is recording it today.

[00:26:40] Rogan's audience skews overwhelmingly male.

[00:26:43] Eighty percent of the listeners are male.

[00:26:45] And a majority of his listeners, 51 percent, fall within the 18 to 34 age range.

[00:26:53] Politically, 35 percent of his listeners identify as independent or something else.

[00:27:00] Thirty-five.

[00:27:01] Thirty-two percent align with Republicans.

[00:27:04] And 27 percent align with Democrats.

[00:27:08] And according to the Edison research,

[00:27:14] this is the only study in the U.S. that surveys the entire audio space

[00:27:18] and shows how Americans divide their audio day among all platforms of listening.

[00:27:24] It's called the share of ear study or survey.

[00:27:28] And people in my line of work and in podcasting, they know about this survey.

[00:27:34] Listen to this.

[00:27:37] Do you know what the largest share of time spent listening to audio by source,

[00:27:42] talking about sources like radio, streaming, YouTube, podcasts, Sirius XM, music, audio books,

[00:27:51] TV, and music channels?

[00:27:54] You know what the number one source for time spent listening is?

[00:27:59] AM, FM radio.

[00:28:01] Still.

[00:28:02] Thirty-six percent.

[00:28:04] By far the largest portion.

[00:28:05] The second largest is streaming music at 21 percent.

[00:28:09] YouTube at 13.

[00:28:10] Podcasts at 10.

[00:28:11] Thirty-six percent.

[00:28:14] Thirty-six percent of the daily time spent with audio of any kind by everybody over the age of 13 is AM and FM radio.

[00:28:25] So this is why the gatekeeping function of the corporate traditional legacy media is crumbling.

[00:28:35] People have access to all of this other audio, and they are trying to keep a hold on their fiefdoms.

[00:28:45] And the harder they grip, right, the more falls through their fingertips or between their fingers,

[00:28:53] because that's how this is how it always happens, right?

[00:28:58] The society is shifting.

[00:29:00] The culture is rewarding the platforms that give it what it wants.

[00:29:05] And people obviously don't want to read the Washington Post anymore,

[00:29:09] and they're going elsewhere to find it.

[00:29:11] And that's why I think we're about to see a major shift in the way campaigns are run.

[00:29:18] All right, that'll do it for this episode.

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