Confused caller accuses Pete of race baiting (12-13-2024--Hour2)

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[00:00:28] So, yeah, I awoke this morning to learn that the former stripper and current murder convict, Crystal Mangum, has confessed to lying about being raped by three Duke lacrosse players. She made this admission in an interview on a podcast called Let's Talk with Kat.

[00:00:57] Hosted by Caterina DePasquale. And she gave the interview at the North Carolina Correctional Institution for Women, where she is currently incarcerated for the murder, the stabbing death, a second-degree murder charge of her then-boyfriend back in 2013.

[00:01:18] I did get an email to Pete at ThePeteKalinerShow.com from Tim, who says,

[00:01:24] Oh, so now Crystal Mangum has found jailhouse religion. How convenient, since she is up for a parole review in 2026.

[00:01:36] I'm not sure if that has led to her conversion or not.

[00:01:41] But I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

[00:01:47] So she made these false charges, and I just saw this from Kevin Smith.

[00:01:53] He posted this up onto Twitter.

[00:02:00] He's the founder of The Loud Majority.

[00:02:03] He's a conservative Republican.

[00:02:05] He pulled a clip.

[00:02:06] He said, Since Duke Lacrosse is in the news, it's important to remember the only one person who would defend them in public at the time.

[00:02:17] Does this former Duke University student, he says, look familiar, because it's a video clip of this Duke University student speaking on the O'Reilly factor with Bill O'Reilly on Fox News at the time.

[00:02:37] See if you can identify this person.

[00:02:42] Joining us now from Raleigh, Stephen Miller, columnist for the Duke Chronicle, a student newspaper.

[00:02:47] You have 88 professors, actually 87 of them.

[00:02:51] One didn't sign this, you know, they put out another letter saying we're not going to apologize.

[00:02:56] And I'm just stunned.

[00:02:58] You know, not only will they apologize, but they run away.

[00:03:00] We even called professors who weren't on the list to try to get an idea of what was happening on campus.

[00:03:04] They won't talk.

[00:03:05] You, a student, pretty much the only person who will talk to us.

[00:03:09] What's going on?

[00:03:10] Well, you have a situation here where, like a lot of college campuses,

[00:03:13] you have this segment of professors that's very powerful and very, very far to the left.

[00:03:18] And for the first time, a lot of students, and in a way the American public at large,

[00:03:22] saw the depths and the ferocity of that radicalism.

[00:03:26] And for the professors for the first time, they were confronted about the radicalism.

[00:03:30] And now they're all running for cover.

[00:03:31] Because if you take a professor that signed that ridiculous ad and sat them down

[00:03:36] and gave them even the most mild interrogation, they would fall apart.

[00:03:39] And they would look like the baseless charges that they were.

[00:03:44] And so you have a situation where, on the one hand,

[00:03:46] they realize there's absolutely no foundation for anything they did.

[00:03:49] But on the other hand, they're not going to confront the flaws of their own radical and divisive ideology.

[00:03:55] Well, what kind of message does this send students who might want to take their courses?

[00:03:58] I mean, they're obviously, I think, irresponsible, these people.

[00:04:02] But everybody makes mistakes.

[00:04:04] They might have acted emotionally.

[00:04:05] All I have to do is say, you know, maybe it was a mistake.

[00:04:08] I'm sorry.

[00:04:08] I shouldn't have jumped off like that.

[00:04:11] And let's have a discussion about it.

[00:04:13] But they won't even do that.

[00:04:14] Well, that's the truly depressing thing about this,

[00:04:17] is you could have had a situation where they might have said,

[00:04:19] all right, look, we rushed to judgment.

[00:04:21] We thought something happened.

[00:04:22] It looks like absolutely nothing happened now.

[00:04:24] We made a mistake.

[00:04:25] We shouldn't have done it.

[00:04:26] But instead, they're standing by their original statement,

[00:04:29] which speaks to the fact that for them,

[00:04:30] this was never about what happened to this particular woman,

[00:04:33] according to her testimony,

[00:04:35] nor was it ever about these players.

[00:04:37] It was always for them about their political agenda.

[00:04:40] And their political agenda has been from day one

[00:04:42] to make a big issue out of racism and gender and class warfare.

[00:04:47] If you look at the ad,

[00:04:48] 80% of the professors that signed it

[00:04:50] claim a specialty in either race, class, or gender.

[00:04:53] And they all clamored for wide, sweeping institutional reform

[00:04:56] that would give them more power and more initiatives

[00:04:59] and more money and all that sort of thing.

[00:05:01] But why aren't the other professors on campus,

[00:05:03] and maybe the chancellor,

[00:05:05] speaking out and giving some kind of balance?

[00:05:07] Because right now,

[00:05:08] what you have is a Columbia University situation.

[00:05:11] Duke is now being portrayed,

[00:05:13] and it may well be true,

[00:05:15] as a radical left university with no voices of moderation.

[00:05:18] Yeah, no voices of moderation.

[00:05:20] Well, because that's what it was.

[00:05:21] That is Stephen Miller,

[00:05:24] the advisor to Donald Trump.

[00:05:27] He was a senior.

[00:05:28] He was a columnist for the Duke Chronicle at the time.

[00:05:33] See, I talked about this during the Brett Kavanaugh

[00:05:37] confirmation hearings,

[00:05:38] when he was smeared by this left-wing machine.

[00:05:44] And I said at the time,

[00:05:46] like, I didn't have any particularly strong opinions

[00:05:49] about this guy, Brett Kavanaugh.

[00:05:53] But the way the machine smeared him radicalized me.

[00:06:00] And I have no doubt that this was a moment for Stephen Miller.

[00:06:05] I don't know that to be true,

[00:06:06] but I would have, like,

[00:06:08] I don't know how this could not affect you.

[00:06:10] You're a columnist at the school paper at Duke University,

[00:06:14] smart guy,

[00:06:15] and you're watching this unfold.

[00:06:18] And his point about the people who signed that ad,

[00:06:22] the people who put their name,

[00:06:24] the Hateful 88,

[00:06:26] race and gender studies professors.

[00:06:30] Is it any wonder how we ended up where we are right now?

[00:06:35] Let me go over here and talk with Sherry.

[00:06:37] Hello, Sherry.

[00:06:38] Welcome to the show.

[00:06:40] Hi, how are you, Pete?

[00:06:41] I am well.

[00:06:41] What's up?

[00:06:42] Yeah, are we going to give equal time to Susan Smith,

[00:06:45] the situation with that?

[00:06:46] Because it seems to me all you do is race bait.

[00:06:48] What is Susan Smith?

[00:06:50] What is the Susan Smith trial?

[00:06:52] Listen, I wish John Cancock was on this station

[00:06:54] because all you do every day is race bait.

[00:06:57] Wait, Sherry, Sherry, Sherry, Sherry, Sherry, Sherry, Sherry.

[00:07:04] Sherry, are you going to engage in a conversation?

[00:07:06] Or are you just, you just, okay.

[00:07:08] Oh, there you go.

[00:07:09] So I had to dump Sherry because all she has is cuss words.

[00:07:16] What would you like me to say about Susan Smith?

[00:07:18] That she murdered her two children?

[00:07:20] Because I've said that.

[00:07:22] She shouldn't get out of prison.

[00:07:23] I think I said that too.

[00:07:25] Tommy Pope was the prosecutor down there, or yeah, the solicitor down there at the time

[00:07:33] and gave a fantastic prosecution of that case.

[00:07:37] And she wrongfully called when she said that her kids had been kidnapped.

[00:07:44] Wrongfully, she race baited, said it was a black guy that kidnapped the kids that were in the car

[00:07:49] and carjacked her and all this.

[00:07:51] And the story fell apart.

[00:07:53] Like, I'm not exactly sure.

[00:07:54] These two stories are not similar in really any way because Susan Smith was prosecuted.

[00:08:03] Her lie was dismantled and it ended up with her in prison.

[00:08:11] Crystal Mangum's lie was never dismantled.

[00:08:14] She never served any time.

[00:08:15] In fact, then Attorney General Roy Cooper did not prosecute Mangum for perjury

[00:08:21] after the case was dismissed.

[00:08:24] He said at the time that the investigators thought that she may have actually believed

[00:08:29] the many different stories that she had been telling, end quote.

[00:08:33] That's what Roy Cooper said.

[00:08:37] She's suffered enough.

[00:08:38] Now, here's the thing.

[00:08:39] Had she actually been prosecuted?

[00:08:41] Hang on.

[00:08:41] I think I got an email about this.

[00:08:44] No.

[00:08:45] Well, yeah, I thought I did.

[00:08:46] I thought I saw somebody that had she actually been prosecuted for the perjury.

[00:08:52] The man that she stabbed to death might still be alive.

[00:08:57] We don't know.

[00:08:58] She might have actually, if they had prosecuted her for the perjury,

[00:09:02] it might have prompted some sort of a mental health intervention

[00:09:07] and the guy that she ended up murdering might still be alive.

[00:09:14] I don't understand.

[00:09:15] Like, the, I don't even think I've talked about the racial aspect to this story at all

[00:09:21] to the Duke Lacrosse.

[00:09:23] I mean, that was a big part of it.

[00:09:25] It was Durham.

[00:09:26] Mike Nifong, a white district attorney running at large in Durham County

[00:09:31] in a Democrat primary, trying to secure the nomination of the Democrat Party

[00:09:38] in Durham as a white guy.

[00:09:41] And so he took this case up and pushed it through in order to be seen as sort of the white savior.

[00:09:51] And the voters bought it.

[00:09:54] Voters, not only in the Democrat primary did they nominate him,

[00:09:58] he won in the general.

[00:10:00] So it worked.

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[00:11:03] So this is the unfortunate thing about Sherry.

[00:11:10] is that I would have actually liked to have heard her argument about what the juxtaposition of the Susan Smith case

[00:11:24] and the Duke Lacrosse case was.

[00:11:28] That's what I was going to ask her.

[00:11:30] Like, she wanted, like, oh, how come you're not spending time on the Susan Smith case?

[00:11:34] Well, we actually did spend time on the Susan Smith case when she was up for parole.

[00:11:39] Remember that?

[00:11:40] A couple of weeks ago?

[00:11:42] Susan Smith going before the parole board.

[00:11:45] She was denied.

[00:11:47] She should always be denied parole.

[00:11:49] She murdered her two children because she wanted to leave her, to get with some guy, right?

[00:11:54] Leave her husband, I think, was the deal.

[00:11:56] Maybe she had already left the husband.

[00:11:58] I forget.

[00:11:59] But she did it so she could shack up with some other dude.

[00:12:02] And I was curious, like, what is the connection that you're trying to make there?

[00:12:10] And Sherry could not, like, could not even compute.

[00:12:16] Like, her brain just malfunctioned.

[00:12:19] All she wanted to do was yell.

[00:12:23] That's how I know she's a leftist.

[00:12:25] That's all she wanted to do was to just yell and call names, not actually make any kind of an argument,

[00:12:31] just wanted to throw out some insult or accusation and have that stand as all the proof necessary.

[00:12:38] And I require a higher standard of evidence, namely that you present some, even just one piece of evidence.

[00:12:49] That's all.

[00:12:50] But I couldn't even get to the evidentiary part of the argument because I didn't even understand what the premise of the argument was.

[00:12:59] So that's unfortunate.

[00:13:01] But this is why when I talk, I talked about it yesterday.

[00:13:05] I talk about it frequently.

[00:13:06] People on the left are intellectually flabby because they are never forced into defending their assertions.

[00:13:15] So if you want to call me a name, go ahead and call me a name.

[00:13:19] Look, I've been called names before.

[00:13:20] I don't care what you think of me.

[00:13:22] See, you've mistaken me for someone who gives a flying fig Newton about what you think of me.

[00:13:28] Because I talk about ideas.

[00:13:32] I talk about ideas.

[00:13:34] And if you want to challenge the idea, have at it.

[00:13:37] That's why when you come at me and call me a name, I know that you're full of garbage because I'm talking about an idea.

[00:13:45] And if you can't handle the idea, if you can't wrestle with that, then you will attack me.

[00:13:52] And that's how I know that you are in over your head, which Sherry just proved very quickly.

[00:13:59] Very, very quickly.

[00:14:00] I'm not sure.

[00:14:00] That may be a record in the crash and burn file right there.

[00:14:04] All right.

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[00:14:35] Just for the record, I prefer to engage in ideas, talk about, you know, policy and that sort of thing.

[00:14:44] And I understand that a lot of people are not interested in that and they just prefer to get, you know, down into the into the mud.

[00:14:54] I can do that as well.

[00:14:56] And I control the phone.

[00:14:59] So.

[00:15:01] It's like just as a heads up, you are dealing from a position of disadvantage, and I recognize that.

[00:15:07] So, like, as the host, I control who gets on, who doesn't.

[00:15:11] I can hang up on you if you curse like Sherry did.

[00:15:14] That's why we had to let her go, because when you say a bad word, GovCo doesn't like that.

[00:15:19] So.

[00:15:21] We we dumped her off the phone lines.

[00:15:24] I would I would have kept her on if she could if she could control herself.

[00:15:28] I would have kept her on.

[00:15:30] I would have tried to actually have a conversation with her to find out what it is that she's trying to communicate.

[00:15:35] But all she ends up doing is making herself look like a fool, which she probably doesn't even realize being a fool.

[00:15:44] So anyway, the the Durham in Wonderland blog that was written over the course of years during the Duke lacrosse case by Casey Johnson.

[00:15:58] He was a still is, I think.

[00:16:00] But he was a professor at the time up at City University in New York.

[00:16:04] And he talked about what in his final post when he basically shut down the blog in 2014, seven years or so after the the case, you know, went public and was the topic of conversation all over the country, particularly here.

[00:16:22] Like, again, I was a news reporter at the time the Duke lacrosse case popped.

[00:16:29] And.

[00:16:30] What you just heard with that caller.

[00:16:35] Was the environment was the atmosphere that we were operating in.

[00:16:40] You couldn't even ask questions.

[00:16:43] You couldn't even make assertions.

[00:16:47] You couldn't say, hey, wait a minute.

[00:16:49] Why did they do a photo lineup where it was only lacrosse players?

[00:16:52] That seems like you're rigging the process.

[00:16:56] Right.

[00:16:57] The idea that, oh, my gosh, you would challenge what a D.A.

[00:17:00] is doing or saying.

[00:17:02] How dare you?

[00:17:04] He's a public servant.

[00:17:05] Like you had all of this.

[00:17:07] Shut up.

[00:17:08] Discovery coming at you from every angle.

[00:17:13] And the race element was huge.

[00:17:17] I didn't talk at all about race, but Sherry wanted to.

[00:17:23] Sherry heard race.

[00:17:24] All she hears is race, probably.

[00:17:27] But yes, race was a big part of that story at the time because the accuser who now admits that she made it all up and lied.

[00:17:36] She's black.

[00:17:37] And the three Duke lacrosse players, in fact, I believe the entire Duke lacrosse team was white.

[00:17:45] They were all white.

[00:17:46] I think they were all from up in the Northeast, too.

[00:17:51] So what Johnson wrote about at his Durham and Wonderland blog back in 2014, his three general reflections, the Academy, Mike Nifong, the D.A., and the media.

[00:18:07] He says, regarding the Academy, while a lot of outsiders have neither the time nor inclination to challenge faculty on scholarly or curricular matters, the lacrosse case was different.

[00:18:19] Here, the relevant facts were public knowledge.

[00:18:23] The event was high profile.

[00:18:25] And the more evidence that emerged, the less likely it appeared that a crime had occurred.

[00:18:30] At the very least, it was clear by the 1st of May 2006 that at least one innocent Duke student, Reed Seligman, had been indicted.

[00:18:42] That he was innocent yet had been indicted.

[00:18:45] And yet, dozens of Duke faculty, to them, the evidence appeared to be irrelevant.

[00:18:52] And then, 88 of them, rushed to judgment, signed a statement, whose production, by the way, violated Duke regulations in multiple ways, and affirmed that something had, quote, happened to Crystal Mangum.

[00:19:08] And they thanked protesters for not waiting.

[00:19:15] Protesters who, not waiting for evidence, in other words, not waiting for a conviction, not waiting for more evidence.

[00:19:21] Just rush on out and call for the castration of three innocent men.

[00:19:27] That's what they were, that's what these Duke faculty, the hateful 88, that's what they did.

[00:19:32] That's what they promoted and celebrated.

[00:19:37] As the case to which they attached their public reputations imploded, the 88 members doubled down.

[00:19:45] With most of them issuing a second statement, promising that they would never apologize for their actions.

[00:19:53] Only three members of the group of 88 ever said they were sorry for signing that statement.

[00:19:58] And two of the three subsequently retracted their apologies.

[00:20:04] For months, the Duke administration was either in agreement with the faculty extremists or cowed by them or some combination of both.

[00:20:14] He goes on to say later that the La Crosse case provided a rare opportunity to glimpse inside the mindset of an elite university.

[00:20:24] And the look was a troubling one.

[00:20:27] There's no evidence of any accountability at Duke.

[00:20:31] Duke, the university has the same leadership and the same hiring patterns that it had back in 2006.

[00:20:36] This was Broadhead, I think was his name, the chancellor at the time.

[00:20:40] Several members of the group of 88 have gone on to even more prestigious positions.

[00:20:46] Their efforts to exploit their students' distress causing them no problem in the contemporary academy.

[00:20:53] See, that's the problem.

[00:20:56] This actually connects to the Daniel Penny case.

[00:21:01] It connects to the UnitedHealth CEO murder.

[00:21:04] These ideas and this permission structure that the left is creating around rushing to judgment based on people's race or ethnicity or religion.

[00:21:21] Right.

[00:21:23] This hasn't been fixed since Duke.

[00:21:27] And then there's Mike Nifong, which he says was unusual.

[00:21:32] I mean, usually you don't get this level of prosecutorial misconduct all rolled into one guy in one case.

[00:21:38] That's what made this really unusual.

[00:21:40] He says,

[00:21:53] Lots of people, though, seem quite untroubled with his actions.

[00:21:58] He won the primary.

[00:22:00] He won the general election.

[00:22:04] And this was, by the way, after voters had seen video evidence that Reed Seligman was at an ATM at the very time Nifong claimed that a rape was occurring.

[00:22:21] You remember that?

[00:22:22] I do.

[00:22:25] The video gets released and it's like, wait a minute.

[00:22:27] You're saying that during this 30 minutes she was being assaulted.

[00:22:31] But here's the camera at the ATM and the guy you're claiming was the attacker is at the ATM on camera.

[00:22:42] What give?

[00:22:43] And you indicted him?

[00:22:44] Like, what are you doing?

[00:22:46] And if you even ask that question, you were met with screeching howls and accusations that you heard from Sherry.

[00:22:55] How dare facts matter?

[00:22:57] The one good thing about the Duke Lacrosse case is that it did lead to the complete annihilation of Mike Nifong, his career.

[00:23:07] And like, I don't know if people still use the term, but Nifonged became a word.

[00:23:16] If somebody got Nifonged, it meant that they got railroaded by a rogue prosecutor.

[00:23:22] So that was the, as far as I could tell, like the only thing, the only good thing that actually came out of the Duke Lacrosse case.

[00:23:30] Aside from people's, I guess, awareness of the institutional and moral rot at Duke and in Durham.

[00:23:42] Got a message here from Moral Compass on Twitter.

[00:23:45] It's a Pete tweet who says, Pete, I was assured during the height of the Me Too movement that a woman would never make up an accusation like this.

[00:23:54] Another L for Me Too.

[00:23:57] And then I, they say, I don't think I even heard you mention the race of anybody involved in this.

[00:24:03] Before that caller, Sherry, called in.

[00:24:07] And accused me of race baiting, even though I never did mention the race of anybody involved because it was secondary to the facts of the case.

[00:24:16] The caller is the one seeing this through the prism of race.

[00:24:21] That is correct.

[00:24:24] John said, I am holding my breath for Tawana Brawley and Al Sharpton to apologize next.

[00:24:32] And John is dead.

[00:24:38] Dennis wanted to know the name of the DA.

[00:24:40] What a jerk that guy turned out to be.

[00:24:42] Yes.

[00:24:43] Mike Nifong, N-I-F-O-N-G.

[00:24:47] Casey Johnson had three areas that he reflected on in his final post at the Durham in Wonderland blog.

[00:24:59] Which, okay, so I guess this was another good thing was that it put this guy on my radar.

[00:25:06] And because I was reading his stuff, Durham in Wonderland.

[00:25:11] And he had great analysis.

[00:25:14] He broke stories.

[00:25:16] It was fantastic.

[00:25:17] And I think I even interviewed him a couple times during the trial or during the lacrosse case.

[00:25:25] And so I guess that's another benefit was that I became aware of him.

[00:25:31] And like I thought you can follow him on Twitter.

[00:25:33] He covers a whole bunch of stuff.

[00:25:35] But his three areas of reflection were the Academy, Mike Nifong, and finally media.

[00:25:44] So here was his reflection on the media.

[00:25:46] He said, excellent coverage of this case came from some quarters of the traditional media.

[00:25:53] From the 2006 through 2008 staff of the Duke Chronicle, the school newspaper.

[00:26:00] From Joe Neff at the Raleigh News and Observer.

[00:26:05] So one guy.

[00:26:07] And nationally from 60 Minutes and ABC News' Law and Justice Unit.

[00:26:13] But the terrible traditional coverage from the New York Times, the Herald Sun, that was the Durham Herald Sun,

[00:26:21] op-ed commentators such as Selena Roberts and Eugene Robinson and other outlets in the early stages of the case was terrible indeed.

[00:26:30] The bad work suffered from two problems that reinforced each other.

[00:26:35] The first comes from the media's general ideological biases.

[00:26:40] While not as left-wing as the typical elite schools faculty.

[00:26:46] Again, I would say that that's probably now not the case anymore.

[00:26:49] They probably are.

[00:26:52] As left-wing.

[00:26:53] As the elite school faculty.

[00:26:57] But the media obviously leans left.

[00:27:00] Again, this was written back in 2014.

[00:27:03] Especially so on issues of race and gender.

[00:27:07] And in spring 2006, the facts offered by Nifong seemed for too many too good to be false.

[00:27:14] So, rather than challenging Nifong's presentation of the case,

[00:27:20] the New York Times, the Durham Herald Sun, and politically correct commentators and authors

[00:27:27] served as de facto stenographers for the prosecutor.

[00:27:31] Uncritically passing along whatever version of events he happened to be offering at the time.

[00:27:37] And the second general problem exposed by this case was the media's poor coverage of procedure and procedural issues.

[00:27:49] And that is a very astute and often ignored element.

[00:27:58] Is that people don't know process.

[00:28:01] People who are not involved in this kind of a, you know, court case.

[00:28:06] They have no experience in the judicial system.

[00:28:09] They have no experience dealing with a university system in a case like this.

[00:28:13] They don't understand the process.

[00:28:15] They don't know procedure.

[00:28:16] And when you have people who are in the media who are covering these stories,

[00:28:20] they are supposed to know this stuff.

[00:28:23] Covering procedure can be difficult.

[00:28:25] It's technical.

[00:28:27] And it doesn't exactly sell newspapers.

[00:28:30] But it is a critical role that journalists play in society.

[00:28:34] I wish more of them knew that.

[00:28:36] All right.

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