Charlotte data center hysteria and a proposed moratorium | Hour 2

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Absolutely, So. I've spent the last twenty five years doing big data, server farms, systems engineering, artificial intelligence. We last three has been almost exclusively focused on AI and deploying it responsibly for businesses big and small, and many of them are here in North Carolina. I started my career at the National Security Agency, so you can almost get no bigger data center than that. And yeah, so I thought it was important to go to the city council and kind of give a balanced view of data centers. And I got to sit around with a bunch of socialists. Well, and to look when I was listening to your comments, because it's so you never know, because people get called up in random ways. So it's not like all the pro people speak first and all the con people speak next. It's not like that. It's it's just, however you signed up and I did. I think you did a good job in outlining the you know, some of the challenges and some of the questions. So when it comes to the idea of a one hundred and fifty day moratorium, I forget. Are are you okay with that idea or are you hesitant about that? What's your view on the moratorium. I'm okay with the with the moratorium so long as that we are trying to get to a pathway that works for most of us, you know, transparently, I'm I don't think that Charlotte needs to be in the hyperscale business. There's a lot of that already on the west coast, Texas, Virginia, and now Missouri. What is that? So, say, explain what the hyper scale because that term was used last night as well. Oh yeah, So hyper scale facilities are almost exclusively used for what's called frontier AI. So those are the big, large language models that are necessary to do a whole bunch of the stuff that almost nobody uses on a day to day basis when people are using Chatchyputi and these other platforms. These are models that are already designed and they're called they're they're called inference models. So when we're talking about hyper scale facilities, that's great, the country needs that. We don't need it offshore in China. But we already have enough states and enough areas doing it that we don't need to bring it to Shark or North Carolina in my view, So that's kind of what I was talking about there. What about I was intrigued by your idea of the high rises. So I think you said, I think you said, build a high rise if you don't want to devour the land. So that's one idea I suppose. I just got to text somebody else suggested we bury them. It'll keep them cooler. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that, isn't it. We don't bury them. But it is an interesting thought that in the future we're probably going to see these things in outer space and maybe even under the ocean, because then it's a lot easier to cool it, and outer space you get an unlimited energy from the Sun. So it would kind of be a very horrible thing for the city to invest in this and expect to get all this tax revenue, among other things, only for it to go into outer space. And now they have empty buildings sitting around. Well, then we can make those into housing or something. Sure, we can just like the malls, right. Exactly, yes, yes, okay, so no hyper scale. What is the one in you were talking about moors Chapel, right off of moors Chapel, that's the one in West Mecklenburg that borders Wilkinson Boulevard at the Catawba River. That's correct, right, Okay, it's not in a black neighborhood at all. I mean, right, it's just it's an undeveloped area that that they're building. On, right, and that's actually near me. I live near that one. I see it every time I cross over the bridge into Belmont. Yeah, we're neighbors, then, Pete, Oh. My gosh, okay, so all right, well then we will will suffer the noise pollution and such and look, all right, So because I got people in my neighborhood Facebook group that are complaining, They're like, Oh, we're gonna hear all of the humming sounds and stuff coming out of that, I'm like, I don't think we're close enough. Like we're about four miles from that thing. So like, I think some of that may be a bit of uh, fear mongering or ignorance. I'm not sure, but I can understand if you're right up against just like if you're up against like any manufacturing facility or shipping depot or something like, yeah, you're going to you're going to hear that building if you are right against it. But then wouldn't that be something that the city council when they do these rezoning approvals, that is something then that they should take into account. That's correct. And also, you and I both know we live under the airport. So planes go over every single day, many times every minute, right, and so there's noise there. Cities are noisy. You sit in a car, it's noisy. I mean, I Don't'm not an expert on noise. I don't know if it's true that it raises your blood pressure. It doesn't. There's a lot of other things in Charlotte that raise my blood pressure. Noises at one of them. So I don't know that noise is exactly the right path to go down if you're opposed to these things. I do know, in fairness though, these huge facilities like that one require, by federal regulation, the ability to have uninterrupted power supply, which is going to require huge amounts of diesel fuel. And you build these two megawatts per generators and to power four hundred megawatts, what does that mass two hundred two hundred of these of these backup generators. That's gonna make a lot of noise if they have to bring those online. But again, I don't know that noise is the horse I ride if I'm opposed to these things. Right, So, by the way, if you you know, if you move just a little bit, if you go south of Wilkinson boulevard. You won't hear any of that airport traffic, right, just go so then you're parallel with the runways, you won't hear any of it, trust me, all right. Yeah, So because that's one of the reasons we did not go up to where you are, is because when we were looking, we were like, oh, yeah, we're right under the flight paths and they're putting in the fourth runway and it's going to get way worse and like Mount Holly's about to get blown out, right, So the all right, So the the generator noise issue is an issue if you are right up or you're you're within you know, one hundred and two hundred feet or whatever of the center, I feel like that should be taken into account. If you're building something, or if you're a city council and you're approving that kind of a build, then that should be definitely taken into account. What about this issue of light pollution or lighting and such that people were sighting. I mean a lot of these people that live in this city. You have lights all the time New York City. You can't even see the stars, right, And I think sort of the same thing as true in Charlotte, I don't know that these are the right Like, these are the wrong conversations to have if you're going to be opposed to data centers. I mean, I'm opposed to the hyper scale facility simply because logically to me, it doesn't make any sense. There's a more distributed way to do it. But light pollution, noise pollution, these things happen in cities. If you don't like that, the move to rural areas, I suppose, like that just doesn't make sense to me personally. All right, what about the energy use argument? Yeah, so that's kind of where I kind of come down where I don't believe hyper scale is the right model. So Charlotte and Mecklenberg County in general could just distribute out through modular data centers. And these things are about the size they start about the size of a trailer on an eighteen wheeler, for example, and they can go up to twenty thirty thousand square feet. But you can distribute these things all across the city. And now if some God forbid, one of these hyper scale facilities goes down, there is no backup to that, Whereas if you have a decentralized network, one goes down, it can pick up the rest of the rest of the slack, and you can be efficient to where they're deployed so that you don't use as much power and you definitely would not use as much water. The only possibility I could think of that you would want a hyperscale facility is if you had an enormous I don't know if you had an enormous entity like an ADP or a national security agency or something nearby. Maybe, but in that case, you do want to be a little bit more restrictive in your regulations because they do use a lot of power. If that facility that we're talking about right now, when it gets its capacity for ing your megawats, it's about eight times the residential power of Morswell, and when it goes up to seven hundred and fifty, that's going to be about fourteen times that combined power. And we already have enough people moving here that are consuming their own power and water. You have to be mindful of that. So I want to be smart and I don't want to ban them entirely, which is what a lot of them were talking about in the gallery when I was sitting there. Yeah, did they think that you were one of their allies while you. Were there, I think so I was shock that I that I got applauded when I saw the other folks get booed. Right, you know, I disagree that we shouldn't have the moratorium. I think it gives us the space to have a conversation. But what they were saying was not wrong. If the Internet goes out tomorrow, everybody in that gallery would lose their heads. Yeah, if they would just go bananas. So data centers are being used for your online banking, your live streaming. Of being against data centers which drips with irony to me, it powers a lot of things that people use, and frankly, it can be very helpful for progressive causes if you use it right. So I don't understand this idea of being opposed to them, and I think it's just a lack of information so much as it is they just want to have something to yell about. Well, there's also the influence of our foreign adversaries. They're now starting to track the money flows. I've got a couple of reports here in the show prep pile of you know, Chinese funded campaigns against data centers for this very reason. They would very much like us to hamstring ourselves so they can race ahead and become the leaders. And if we're going to have our own homegrown quote grassroots activists that are already predisposed, you know, for environmental reasons, for anti American reasons, whatever, seems to me like yeah, I mean that's money well spent for the chy cooms. So it sounds like I think I take the same view on the moratorium idea as you do, which is like, I need to know what the aim is. If the aim is to ban all data centers, then I oppose it. But if the aim is to build a framework to allow for centers to be built, then then I don't necessarily have an opposition to to a moratorium to let them construct that framework. Is that where is that where you're coming from? It is exactly And I don't that is one hundred percent, And I don't agree that we do retroactive removals. Once you've made an agreement, you keep your agreement and a story for me, But I think we do need to have some information. And when I saw the city council get its presentation on May eleventh, I don't know that the city staff equipped the City Council with the correct information. I felt a lot of it was misleading. Several of the city council members have reached out to me, and I've hadn lengthy conversations with them. They are very much interested in how do we do this right. I have not yet heard of the three or four I've spoken to, I've not yet heard a single one of them say we need to ban these things. I think they just want to do it smartly, and in fairness to them, they can't do that if they're getting misleading information. They need to be able to have the chance to understand it and not just get skewed info. And that's hopefully what if I can provide some benefit. I hope that's the benefit I'm providing is I don't have a dog in the fight other than to say, let's do it smartly. Right. Yeah, they definitely need people with expertise, and I don't think city staff are the ones with the expertise on this stuff. They can learn, and they can learn quickly some of the stuff. But you know, there was another speaker who got up there later in the evening and he ran through a couple of examples and urging the Council to look at these other examples, because, like you just said, there were all there are all sorts of sort of products out there that are under the data center umbrella that are not these what you call hyperscale projects that may be perfectly appropriate for what Charlotte needs. And so. I mentioned in the last hour, I find it and I'm curious your view on this is that, like this argument about the the amount of energy that they use, I have no doubt about that. I think some of it's overblown, but I have no doubt they use a lot of energy. But I also can't help but notice that we've been blocked as a nation basically for the last forty years from bringing new nuclear facilities online, which would provide a massive amount of reliable and cheaper fuel or energy rather, and yet we have been prevented from doing that by these same people that are now telling us, oh, we don't have enough energy to use for the data centers. Right, So one hundred percent agree with that. I'm an all in on energy kind of guy. So nuclear works coal as long as it's clean coal, which of course by nowpha set of regulation, it is solar, water, wind, whatever you want to do I'm good with it, but you can't. You cannot power these enormous ones like the hyperscale facilities with solar and wind. There's just too much capacity they require, which is another reason why if you decentralize it and make them smaller, you can at least augment some of that power with solar. And one of the things I've argued with the city council members who've spoken to me or I suggested to them as an argument, is if you want to make Charlotte a leader, then let's build those components here. Have the jobs come here and build the solar panels, build them, build what's necessary to support this infrastructure here, because once the doors close and the servers go up, you're now only talking about ten to twenty jobs, not the thousands that it takes to that. They are high paying jobs, but they're but there's they're very few, right, So let's let's have jobs here that we can actually employ people that are sustainable and not temporary. Yeah. Well, hey, I appreciate you texting in and thanks for calling in and to go over some of this stuff, and I hope that you are successful in you know, working with city council to give them some of this background information so they make informed decisions. That'd be very, very helpful and I think beneficial, So Craig, I appreciate it. Man. Thank you, Pete. Have a good day you too. Take care. That's Craig Reynolds. You spoke last night at the Charlotte City Council meeting about uh the uh the data centers all gonna die. You know. Stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of our past while transcending generations. They help us process the meaning of life, and our stories are told through images and videos. Preserve your stories with Creative Video. Started in nineteen ninety seven in Minhill, North Carolina. It was the first company to provide this valuable service, converting images, photos and videos into high quality produced slide shows, videos and albums. The trusted, talented and dedicated team at Creative Video will go over all of the details with you to create a perfect project. Satisfaction guaranteed. Drop them off in person or mail them. They'll be ready in a week or two. 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Okay, there are unseen actors that are trying to influence you on all sorts of things. And maybe it's as obvious as some pop up ads that are coming into your feed or whatnot, but a lot of times you don't have any idea why the message that the algorithm is picked up and stuffed into your feed. You don't have any idea who's behind that messaging. And so right now, the public opinion is overwhelmingly opposed to constructing data centers. It's like seven out of ten Americans oppose constructing data centers for AI in their local area. Nearly half forty eight percent are strongly opposed, and almost a quarter favor the projects with strong with seven percent strongly in favor. Okay, so this is the like, this is the public opinion obstacle that has to be overcome or else we surrender the mantle of AI leadership to China. That's the fight. That's why. Like that, that's why you have people in the AI space that are like, you know, you know, lobbying against the federal government from getting involved in this stuff. And yes, I understand these are corporations, these are tech bros. Like I'm not. I don't trust them either. However, if my option is to let them make advances versus seed our position as the leader to China, well I just by default, just because I am anti communists, I don't want them to be leading anything. I don't want them to have the upper hand in anything, especially something as powerful as AI. I want to be ahead of them. Okay, So that's sort of my default position. My cards are on the table on that, and that is also why they have been funding the anti data center campaigns in America. We'll get into that in the moment, all right, So something to keep in mind. Okay, there are a lot of different angles, a lot of different issues regarding the data centers and AI and all of right, right, there are a lot of different things associated with this topic. Okay. It's to me like I am able to look at each of the different angles and do a pro and con and assess all of the different factors and such. Okay, which is why I bring this to your attention. Who is funding the anti data center campaigns? Where's this money coming from, Who's behind it, who's doing it? A couple stories first, one, thank you Jim for sending the story from power Line Blog. I had not seen it. John Hinderaker, writing at power line blog dot com. For many years, the Soviet Union and then Russia financed the environmentalist movement in the United States. Their purpose was to suppress American production of oil and gas, and they succeeded to a considerable degree to their own great benefit. Today, we are in the midst of another kind of race with Communist China, the race to develop superior systems of artificial intelligence. The Chinese Communist Party knows that if it wins this race, it will contribute greatly to its dreams of world domination. But if it loses, China, with its rapidly shrinking population, could be on the way to the garbage dump of history. So the stakes are enormous. You've heard of Kevin O'Leary, one of the Shark Tank entrepreneur investor guys. He put a data science team onto the question of who's funding these campaigns and the opposition to data centers comes largely from the chi cooms. Here's what he found. After seeing coordinated false attacks against the Utah Data Center project, we brought in an advanced data science team to trace where the content was coming from, and the results were shocking. He says. What we found led back to organized networks, political activist groups and funding trails tied to massive international entities. We dug through IRS nine to ninety filings. We tracked IP data from around the world and uncovered what appears to be a coordinated campaign targeting energy and data center projects across multiple regions. Okay, so this isn't just data centers, it's also energy projects. So again, if the Chinese Communist Party can make America hamstring itself with regard to energy production and technological advancement, if they can make us do that to ourselves, they benefit. Power the Future's new report, called Manufactured Outrage, how national environmental activists are spending millions to elect Democrats, block data centers, and undermined President Trump's pro growth agenda. That's the name of the report. It exposes a coordinated, billionaire funded, and potentially foreign backed campaign to obstruct data centers and artificial intelligence infrastructure development across America. The report finds the anti data center movement is not grassroots, but a coordinated national campaign fueled by massive political spending and activist organizations aligned with partisan goals. Which, by the way, you know who spoke at last night's public hearing too, self identified members of the Party of Socialism and Liberation the PSL. They were there last night. They were speaking against data centers. Do you think that's organic? Ninety eight billion dollars in data center investment has been disrupted in a steing fiscal quarter quarter two five ninety eight billion in investment, more than the total disruptions of the previous two years combined. The report exposed a coordinated campaign led by national eco left groups such as the Sierra Club, the Food and Water Watch, Earth Justice, and the Southern Environmental Law Center, who also spoke at the Charlotte City Council last night. They are backed by dark money networks to stop data center projects across the country. They go on to say more than three hundred anti data center bills have been filed across thirty states in just six weeks, demonstrating a level of coordination far beyond local opposition. And then there is this a report done by the Washington Free Beacon. Propaganda outlets controlled by China as well as Russia and Iran are promoting campaigns in the United States to oppose the construction of new data centers, indicating that Beijing and Moscow are looking to impede AI innovation in the US. From the Chinese Communist Party's English language newspaper called China Daily and its subsidiary called The Global Times, to the English language division of Beijing state broadcaster, the China Global Television Network, as well as RT formerly known as Russia Today. China and Russia, through these outlets have been pushing the message within the US that the data centers are harmful. The push comes as the US and China compete to achieve global dominance in AI. As the White House put it back in July of twenty twenty five in their AI Action Plan, whoever has the largest AI ecosystem will set global AI standards and re broad economic and military benefits. Just like we won the space race, it's imperative that the US and its allies win this race. Later on in the report, China has sought to keep up with the US tech by engaging in deliberate, industrial scale campaigns to steal American AI systems. At the same time, Beijing is encouraging US movements aimed at voluntarily restraining American tech innovation, and it is gaining momentum among progressives on Capitol Hill. Now you, but lest you think that the tricoms have concerns about, you know, data centers and AI and energy production. All this, Their warnings to the American audience stand in stark contrast to the approach it's taking domestically, It offers tech companies subsidies that cover up to half of the energy costs associated with their day centers. So China is subsidizing the very thing that it's paying to shut down here. Why would they do that, just logically, why would they do that? Why would they subsidize the very thing they're claiming is harmful to American audiences. I mentioned yesterday that I took a tour up the Cape Fear River over the weekend and we went by the port and there were all this There was all these like wood chips or whatever that was like a huge pile. They turn them into like biscuits or briskets or something like that, and these are used as energy sources. And the captain who was telling us about this, he said, they're China used to buy a whole bunch of this this material to fuel their power plants. However, they are now reverting back to coal because they can get a lot of coal there and they don't care about the environment. Right. Meanwhile, they're funding environmentalist movements here, so we can't burn coal. So now like the only buyer of the wood product out of Wilmington is Britain because that's what fuels their plants whatever, like the two that they have left. So again, why is China doing things in their country while telling us we shouldn't do the very things in our country. Why would they do that so they get an advantage, so they can keep making more and more energy, so they can keep building more and more data centers, so they can win the AI race. That's the race, that's the contest going on. That is an important component when you are contemplating the data center question. Let mean meanderon over to the texts and such. Here's a message from Linda who says the data centers equals twenty four to seven surveillance. The globalists dream come true. We are allowing them to build our own prison, and when we are on water restrictions due to drought, the data centers will not be The USA already has about four thousand data centers, while China has fewer than four hundred. I cannot confirm that number. I don't know if that's true, but well, just for the sake of argument, say that is the technocrats are the ones in charge of the world, and that does not sit well with me. No, I am not a socialist. Right. So I would simply point out that AI is a tool, right, and like any other tool, it can be used for good or bad, depending on the intent of the tool user. Right. You can have the fights about how AI is implemented, but to then abandon all of that field of research and development and to surrender the lead position to China and let them overtake us so their AI becomes better, smarter, more dangerous to us, right, Like that? That's not to me, That is, that is not a risk that I am willing to take, because as much as I don't trust politicians and technocrats here in America, I really don't trust the ones over in China because their ideology calls for the enslavement of humans. That's communism me. No, Like, Okay, Bob says that the data center Nimby Moonbats are the children and grandchildren of the loons that killed the domestic nuclear power industry after three Mile Island. Yeah, there's a that Ben diagrams pretty close to a circle on that. I would say seven oh four number says a lot of these, A lot of the folks opposed to the data centers don't seem to mind the land clearing and environmental impact of all the solar farms that are being built, do they Yeah, no, yeah, tear up all the farmland like you and when you when you, when you do a solar field like I've read that potato farmers will will not use that farmland. If ever the solar panels are taken off because the the leeching of materials into the ground, you can't grow potatoes there. That won't kill people, I guess, I don't know. John says, hearing some of those people from the meeting last night, it's scary that some of those people have been educating our kids for almost thirty years. Yep. Mark says. A lot of my friends say, that's the deep state fighting back with the virus. Oh wait, that's something else. Sorry, that was from last night, different different show. Hopefully they will make robots run the data centers. Well, I have seen they've got some robots now that are able to pick the tea leaves, and which was the major reason why a lot of the tea farming went away in the Carolinas because it was two labor cost prohibitive. So if you can get some robots out there picking tea leaves like that is that would be a boom for Carolina sweet tea production seven O four Numbers says. My question is would Charlotte even remain a major banking center if this type of technology is sworn off? No, it would not. I think that's a great point. Yeah, I mean, like the fintech, the financial technology like that. Like you would have massive industrial sectors, business sectors in Charlotte that would move someplace else if they require fired data center access. You know, Kevin says, I understand both sides. We all love our tech and need it, at least we think we do. They use a ton of power, three hundred thousand and five million gallons of water per day to work. Well, okay, so this is another thing. These are closed loop systems, so the water that is used to cool the systems are recirculated. Now, there is some water loss, evaporation and whatever, but for the most part, like most of the water is used that and is recycled. Is it's so it's a closed loop system. Data centers built near small towns used most of the electricity. Electric bills go up quickly. Not mentioned yet any info in that right. So again, this, like the energy use argument, is rooted in the failure to produce more energy production facilities, and that is because of the same people who are now opposed to the data centers. If we were permitted, if we were allowed to build more nuclear power plants over the last fifty years, we would not be having these problems. We would be having more nuclear energy production, we would have cheap energy. But because of Three Mile Island and the catastrophization over that, and we're all going to die. Nuclear power is dangerous. Like all of these arguments and all of the hysteria, right, Like, all of that led to an artificial constraint on energy production. So to me, the two issues are intertwined, inextricably. Like you cannot be clamoring for no data centers without acknowledging that the reason why, if you're citing energy us, the reason why the energy is limited is because of you, right Like if you've been if you've been saying we need to go all solar and wind farms and stuff like that, it can those things do not produce enough electricity consistently. Nuclear does, and it produces no CO two and the systems now are way better anyway, Scotty says, if you think all these data centers being built are so you and or so you and Grandma can continue to share your kids pictures on Facebook and wonderful innocuous AI programs and not the complete surveillance all caps of the populace. I've got some beachfront property in Nebraska for you. Okay. That is a false choice, right, That's a straw man right there. And I'm very good at sussing out the false choice. You know how I know it's a false choice because you only gave me two right that it's either oh it's just for pictures so I can share with Granny on Facebook, or it's complators are vaillance state. You know, there's a lot of other applications. There's a lot of other stuff that the data centers use. Like people think, oh it's you know, oh my data is in the cloud. Your data is not in a cloud. Okay. There are no clouds floating overhead with all of the data in it. Okay. Those are servers and that's what's in the data centers. That's that's the cloud, okay. And so everything that powers small business, big business, banking, techy, well like everything just like energy is the backbone here, right, so is the tech so no, it's again, it's not an either or. I don't have to pick only one of those uses. It's for so much more. Why this was the why can't they be built below ground? We covered that with Craig the caller at the beginning of the hour. Wouldn't the climate be better off if data centers went in un United States regulations versus going in under China with no regulations. Yes, Doug says, yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, Like I want to be able to set the standards. If they're going to be international standards or industry standards, I'd rather them come from here because at least we have the ability to participate in that, whereas over in China it's just going to be Whoever. The pollt Bureau is right, and they're going to implement it for the most surveillance of the surveillance states, you can imagine that's what they're going to use it for. Also, Doug points out years ago Lancaster County did not want a paper plant, so they did not get one. Instead, they got one right across the river. Nearly one hundred percent of the cons and virtually none of the pros missed out on years and years of tax revenue and many are still enjoying the smell. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could not do the show without your support and the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too and tell them you heard it here. You can also become a patron at my Patreon page or go to thepetecleanershow dot com. Again, thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.