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[00:00:28] Now, for you lefties out there, you're probably, and we appreciate you listening, it is astounding how many folks on the left listen to WBT. It's a diverse audience, clearly a lot of viewpoints across the ideological spectrum. You're going to like part of this because what Tom Tillis did, what the senator, the retiring senator from North Carolina, he's not just going out quietly into that good night. He's setting the bridge on fire.
[00:00:58] He's chopping the house down. He's scorching the earth. You name it. Tom Tillis, who I've known for many years, having known him since he was a councilman in the town of Cornelius, I wish I could say I was overly astounded. I'm just amazed that someone who reached the pinnacle of political success, who went from town councilman to North Carolina House to North Carolina House speaker,
[00:01:28] who was known to be pragmatic and measured in many ways to the ire and consternation of many conservatives, who rises to the level, you know, defeats Kay Hagan, goes into the Senate and survives not one term, but defense is seen in re-election, which is kind of a ultimate tale of success.
[00:01:50] He's always been less likely to be the conservative person out there on the edge of it. Leslie's not going to be the guy that runs out and says, we need to cut taxes. He's not the guy that runs out. We need to defend property rights. Now, he may vote that way. And his voting record is center right. It's not ultimate left.
[00:02:11] But when he did the interview with Jake Tapper, and you heard a little bit of that in the news broadcast, you heard a little bit of that in the broadcast, I mean, the news break there with Brandon. This is where he just this is a and I'm going to tell you this isn't inadvertent. This isn't accidental. This is an intentional desire to hurt the president.
[00:02:35] Whereas Rand Paul, I heard an interview with Rand Paul yesterday and Rand Paul, senator from Kentucky, the guy, the other senator who voted against the big, beautiful bill, the Republican that did. Democrats were in lockstep. You know, Trump, I don't know, could heal cancer and they'd vote against him. So but Rand Paul had voted against it, largely an ideological stance he has taken since his time in D.C.
[00:02:57] And he was very friendly to the president. He says, hey, if they go about cutting spending and cutting debt and deficits, if they do these things, I'll vote for it every time. And that and then he went on to talk about they asked about his golf handicap, how good he was at golf. And he talked about being almost as good as the president has a 10 handy. He's very friendly and amicable to the president. Tom Tillis is not. There is an ideological there's not even I don't know what Tom Tillis is ideological rudder is.
[00:03:24] I think it's if there was a political ideology called pragmatism, that's it. So whatever gets you across the finish line in his words, it's not too far left or right. He's OK with kind of fair to middling. But here's I want to read parts of that interview before Tom Tillis. This is from CNN, by the way. That's where he chose to throw the president under the bus, where he chose to stake out his brand new.
[00:03:50] So going into the sunset, I don't know that Democrats are not going to hail him. The Republicans certainly I don't know where he wants to be in retirement. You know, much revile. I don't know. There's no I don't get it. But before he bucked his own party and voted against Trump's agenda last week, he warned. He warned the president how its toxic political ripple effect could wipe out Congress. Now, we'll see if Tillis is now Tillis is not looking at the maps of Texas.
[00:04:19] He's not looking at the maps of Florida. He's not looking at a lot of the maps that are out there that actually do favor of the Republicans. I don't think it'll be a red wave, but I think the Republicans have a better than even chance if the president doesn't stumble on this Epstein stuff, which we will talk about more. As I told the president, he said, if we don't get this right, he's probably going to have two of the most miserable years of his life if Democrats take the gavel in the House.
[00:04:45] I would say the first term were some of the most miserable years and the four years of Biden dragging him through court and getting him mugshots and trumping up charges against Trump. I think those were pretty miserable years. Two years of a lame duck presidency, you know, staking out the ground and preparing the next person to be president. I don't think it'll be that terrible, but Tom Tillis is Tom Tillis. I'm trying to avoid that. In other words, but for me, the president would be fine. So he was with Jake Tapper. I told the president.
[00:05:14] This is the second time he said I told the president. The first was I told the president we don't get it right. I told the president I really do believe this could be his Obamacare. Talking about the big, beautiful bill. Now, what Tillis omits to discuss is there's a reconciliation that's likely to take place in the fall and another one in the spring. So it's gonna be a lot of dialing in and affirming these things. Tillis said the sweeping tax and spending cuts without Tillis is, but I think it's politically just devastating.
[00:05:43] The plain spoken, according, I don't know that the CNN would ever call any Republican plain spoken, but now that you're going after Trump, he is. He's the guy. The plain spoken North Carolina. He was clear about who he blames for the details of Trump's domestic policy law, repeatedly, repeatedly calling out unnamed White House staffers that he said failed to grasp the real life consequences of the new policy, particularly spending cuts to Medicaid. By the way, I looked at the spending cuts to Medicaid.
[00:06:11] So if they're not spending cuts, they're cuts in the rate of growth. Tillis didn't say that, but that's what they are. So Medicaid will continue to expand. It's it's just it's this apologist way of being, which provides health care to millions of low income Americans. Those advisor, he said, are the biggest risks of Trump's legacy that we declined to name anybody. I don't have a problem with Trump. I got a problem with some of the people I consider to be amateurs advising him.
[00:06:39] Now, to be fair, some of the most experienced people in the country, both in business and policy or advisors. So I wish he would name them. I think they're all bad. I won't name who they are. I want to make it very clear to them when you act like the president, when he's out of the room, you don't impress me tillis it. Now, the irony of that, that alone, the irony of what he says there is not lost on me.
[00:07:03] Because we had a president who was elected, depending on your perspective, Biden, who we don't know who was in charge. We know the auto pen was used, meaning he wasn't the person that signed it. A machine did. We do not know who was conducting policy. We do not know who was appointing judges. We do not know. Tillis doesn't seem to be bothered by that. Imagine Tillis saying this about Biden. I consider to be amateurs around Biden.
[00:07:31] And I want to make it very clear to the people around Biden, when you act like the president when he's out of the room, you don't impress me. Wait. Biden's advisors were acting like the president when he was in the room. Doesn't seem to bother Tillis one bit. Not one bit is Tillis incensed that we don't know who the acting president was. But I digress. The senator may not be quiet for long. I don't think he's being quiet at all. Asked about how he plans to spend his remaining months in office.
[00:08:00] Tillis said he would demand accountability from Trump's advisors. I'm going to hold these people accountable who I think are shielding him. Who do not understand the legislative process. Certainly do not understand the executive. And they're the biggest risk. So Tillis is going out. I mean, he's basically declared war on Team Trump. It is not. He said he regretted voting for Pete Hegseth. Big mistake. And then he says again, his famous phrase in this entire interview.
[00:08:30] I told the president. I told the president. The third time he says it. I told the president in another text. Now's the time to start looking for my replacement because I don't want to deal with that kind of BS. He didn't say BS. I have to say it. So he said he actually said the word. So this is just scorched earth. Pete Hegseth. Find the replacement. He's not going to be helping at all. He's not involved in the process.
[00:09:00] He doesn't flippin' care. He is checked out. He is angry. He is bitter. This is a classless way to go out. And it's a shame. Like I said, I've known Tom personally. I don't understand this. I've never seen this kind of seething hatred from him. But it's there. Even when the Democrats ticked him off. Even with any of the Democrats, I've never seen him more angry than like this. Here's a great idea.
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[00:10:52] Honest, everything I tell you is honest, but it's not always comfortable. But so I knew Tillis when he defeated John Rhodes many years ago. I've known him for many years, personally known him. We've always gotten along. In fact, I was hosting, I think this very show, maybe last Christmas, and Tillis called in. He called in to WBT and we had a good interview. We have substantive disagreements. They're not personal. They are disagreements.
[00:11:17] Now, what I find particularly damning about what has occurred here is that he's had, you know, you could tell if you're really paying attention. And in my world, I tend to pay attention. I pay attention to subtleties, the way people word things. Now, I've always been fascinated with the articulation of thoughts. You know, you saw this. One of the most vivid examples that you, if you're older than, I don't know, 40, one of
[00:11:45] the most vivid examples of wordplay was Bill Clinton's interview with the special counsel, Ken Starr, on the Monica Lewinsky scandal. When he said things like, it depends on what your definition of the word is, is, you know. When you get to, I was fascinated by the parsing of words, and we've seen this play out many, many times since, but the way Tillis would parse his words around certain policy positions.
[00:12:13] And you can tell there was a bit of angst related to his perceptions about Trump. You know, Trump's not his cup of tea. And, you know, Tillis is very measured. And I have seen, and to his credit, when he was in the North Carolina House and as House Speaker, there were numerous occasions where I knew that he had a disagreement with a given policy that was going to be brought before the House. And he was likely to vote against it. But to his credit, he brought it forth and these things would pass without him.
[00:12:43] So we, anybody paying attention knew his politics. And that is why Tillis's most serious political threat was always from the political right, not from the Democrats. Because there were enough moderates that if Tillis survived a primary, he was always going to survive the general, because the left is always going to put somebody up that's more left than he is. And the political right's not going to break from him. They may not be enthused.
[00:13:08] He'll get fewer votes than like a Trump or a true conservative, but he's going to win. And that's what his team, the people who supported him, that's what they knew. He just had to survive a Republican primary. Through the course of the Hegseth nomination process and some other issues, it was, looking back, it was pretty clear that Tillis was going to be facing a potentially strong candidate from
[00:13:37] the political right in North Carolina. A Laura Trump, I doubt a Michael Watley, but certainly, you know, a Pat Harrigan that's very, extremely well-funded, something of that ilk. I wasn't worried about Roy. Roy Cooper would not have probably gotten in the race if it was not an open seat. He's not prone to, unless he thought Tillis was truly damaged. But then when Tillis goes scorched earth and he does an interview with Jake Tapper on CNN, he could have chosen to go anywhere and give that interview. He chose that. That's intentional.
[00:14:06] The words he used, he wants to be seen as an intellectual talking almost down to the president or maybe as an equal. I don't know. I told the president, he said it three times, at least in the interview. But the fact that he announced he was not running and then went scorched earth belies a bit of political cowardice. He could have said those things prior to saying he was not going to run again, but he said it after.
[00:14:35] And what that means, if you say it after you've decided not to run, that means that you were lying or misrepresenting or not telling the truth for the past since Trump got elected or before or during the campaign, during the election. That's the problem with Tillis is he's being very honest. I'll give him that. Very honest. But he waited until after, which meant he wasn't being honest before deciding not to run.
[00:15:02] He wasn't telling the public his honest feelings. One thing about Rand Paul, disagree with him or not, he's consistent. He has been. One thing about the president, remarkably consistent on the border, on taxes, on NATO, on tariffs, on DEI, on his belief in America, the American people, his belief in himself. Consistent. And that's something Tillis can't say. He hasn't been. And that's why when there's a vote, you have to guess, where's Tillis going to be? And I don't know. I don't know. And that's a problem.
[00:15:31] I know Ted Budd's got to be going, oh man, I can't believe this is going on. I'm shocked that the media hasn't run to Ted Budd. So what do you think about what Tillis said? The golden opportunity to go after Republicans. But Tillis went scorched earth. By the way, if you want to get in on this, it's 704-570-1110. It's also the text line. It's the WBT text line driven by Liberty Buick GMC. Same phone number. So if you have a comment and we get to look at it and go, okay, you want to go with that?
[00:16:00] But when I got a call, I got a call on the break from someone who's been a longtime Tillis supporter, who was very involved in the political mechanizations and intrigue of this state's right-leaning politics. I would say the individual, I've always accused them of being somewhat of a moderate. But they're in GOP politics and they've been Tillis long and strong since they were. Even he didn't understand.
[00:16:21] He was trying to find a way, a nuanced way of saying, you know, Tillis really meant, but he couldn't. He tried. And so instead of scorched earth with Tillis, he kind of backed up and just said, you know, I don't understand. I don't understand. And when a lot of, when people say they don't understand it at that level of politics, it's that they don't want to believe.
[00:16:47] It's a euphemism for, I don't want to believe what I heard with my own ears and saw with my own eyes. So I don't understand. Yeah. It's kind of like if you were, you know, to see a Tesla in 1860, you would see it, but you wouldn't understand. It wouldn't make any sense. So kind of anachronistic. Anyway, he's out of space, out of time, and it just doesn't make any sense.
[00:17:12] So Tillis has essentially committed political Harry Carey here and needs to survive the next 18 months. And it will be a problematic vote for the president for any chance in an agenda. I'd be surprised if Tillis is, I don't know where his vote's going to be for the next year and a half. He said he's going to go after Trump's staff. That's what he said his goal is, is to go after Trump's staff, to name names and go after him. He called him a bunch of amateurs.
[00:17:40] It's just a sad end to an otherwise stellar career that goes from, you know, paper boy to town councilman to, I mean, successful business guy, all the way up to U.S. senator. And this is how he chooses to burn the house down. Don't understand it. All right. If you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events. And I know you do, too. And you've probably heard me say, get your news from multiple sources. Why?
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[00:18:53] Your subscription then not only helps my podcast, but it also supports Ground News as they make the media landscape more transparent. Now, you know, when we went to the break, we were talking about Tillis, this scorched earth. And by the way, former Representative Larry Pittman has burned up my phone a few times. He's, you know, he was no big fan of Tillis, certainly. And he's very, has been concerned about this for a long time. So he said, you can share it on air if you want to. So we'll see.
[00:19:22] Now, with us, though, we do have a caller. I believe Jake, if I got that right. Jake, welcome to the show. How are you today? Jay, I'm sorry. Jay, how are you today? I am fantastic. Thank you for calling. Yeah. Go ahead. Are you there? Yeah. Yes, sir. Go ahead. I kind of go back with him a long time ago. Back in the early 2000s, a new high school opened up in Huntersville that had a lot of the lake parents and all the area there.
[00:19:50] And he made an issue at the high school and had a big meeting. And this is before he got into politics. Okay. And some parents from the lake were complaining about the new principal there, a new high school that had some pretty strict discipline policies, which, you know, if we had them today, we wouldn't have problems we have. But he set up a meeting at one of the town halls. I can't remember if it was Huntersville or Cornelius.
[00:20:20] And had everybody come. And I went to it just to see what was going on. And he really shamed the principal there and got him into trouble. And I talked to a lot of faculty members and other parents, and we were happy with that principal. And after the meeting, we were joking that this guy's running for governor. And he was just looking for an issue to get his name out there.
[00:20:48] And I've watched his whole career since that day. And my son actually had classes with his kids. And I voted for him twice, but I'd never vote for him again. I didn't vote for him. I voted for him the last time only because I wanted to see a Republican up there, but I never really considered him a Republican. And what he's doing now is a disgrace to the party. It's a disgrace to him. But you know what?
[00:21:16] I've seen it before because he made an issue about it. It's something that he should have kept his nose out of. You know, Jay, I think a lot of people on the right get – I don't know – in fact, I've got supporters of him that are reaching out on Facebook and texting right now, even as you're on air with me. And they're saying – there's two things that are coming out. And I wish I had come up with one of them, but I didn't. They said, I don't see how it helps him.
[00:21:43] How does anything that he's doing right now help him? What – I mean, does he switch parties? Even Mike Pence, even Mike Pence, who is certainly not the biggest fan of Donald Trump, said that Tillis went too far. I mean, if Mike Pence says you went too far, I don't know. I don't know that he thinks – is he going to become a Democrat? And is that – because I don't know where he sees himself and how this elevates him or even helps him in any way. So – but, Jay, I appreciate it.
[00:22:13] I saw his ego years ago, and it hasn't changed. Yeah, there's a hubris there. Jay, I appreciate the call, man. Thanks for being a part of the program. But there's certainly – and I appreciate Jay's call. I appreciate the folks reaching out, texting and Facebook and Twitter. Chad Adams' perspective on Twitter, if you happen to be out there. But does he become – the other sentiment is kind of, does he become the Adam Kinzinger? Does he become the next Liz Cheney?
[00:22:40] I mean, this all of a sudden 180-degree rebuke is just unfathomable. There are classy ways to do this. There are – he could have been – if he had been principled all along, like Rand Paul – I don't think Rand Paul's relationship with the president – certainly a lot of people are angry about his vote. But it's – he's been consistent on things that he felt would add to the debt.
[00:23:10] And so he and the president still get along. It's not that he took a new way of looking at things. Tillis was – that was out of left field what Tillis did. And those things that he said now, I don't get it. Even if – one of his supporters just wrote me. He says – he's talking about how – what Tillis said. Tillis said something really strange. He said, I don't have a problem with President Trump. I got a problem with some of the people I consider to be amateurs.
[00:23:37] And I want to make it clear to them, when you act like the president, when he's out of the room, you don't impress me. Now, this is the same senator that had no problem with, you know, Team Autopen and hasn't called for multiple investigations when we don't even know who was running things. But he says that. And so even the supporter of Tillis' – a strong supporter, I might add, has been very close to him – said, what an arrogant statement. It totally makes Trump look like a doorstop. It does.
[00:24:03] It is just an arrogant – and this is the market from whence Tillis, his political career was birthed. I don't know. I mean, and, you know, if he wanted to be a part of the broadcast, I'll give him more than a fair interview. I haven't reached out to his office. Might. I don't know. Right now, I just – I don't know. It's just unbelievable that Tillis decided to go this route.
[00:24:28] I mean, it's one thing if he had gone on – I mean, he went on CNN with Jake Tapper and just scorched earth. I'm going to spend my last – so he's not going to spend his last 18 months representing North Carolina. Or maybe he sees that as – not really trying to support the American people, although what he sees is his attack on the president is his way of representing the citizens of North Carolina and the country to attack Trump's people.
[00:24:56] So there's no – so what he's not saying is I have an agenda for the people of North Carolina. By the way, North Carolina just named number one place to do business thanks to many of the policies that happened when Tillis was in office and many that have happened subsequent to that. It's not really the executive branch. The executive branch of North Carolina, the governor gets to go around and cut ribbons and make nice speeches, but largely has been irrelevant in making that policy. But that's a separate issue. You know, stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences.
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[00:26:41] And I think that Tillis was not being honest with himself for the past two, three, six years. I don't know. And that's, it just, it ultimately got too much for him. You know, I think he just snapped. I mean, when you saw the bolo on the floor of the Senate, and that's when he went scorched earth. And ever since he voted against the big, beautiful bill, he's gone scorched earth. I don't know where this ends up. It's a detachment. Now, there was a caller in the break that, or text, I don't know, it's one of the two, communicated with the show.
[00:27:09] And he was talking about the Tillis, and this will seem like an attack. It's not. I think the individual was talking about the Tillis hadn't been in North Carolina very long before he ran for office. And there's a lot of truth to that. His background is actually quite interesting because he was born in Jacksonville, Florida. He moved like, I don't know, 20 times. He, you know, he's been in many places and one, he's actually got two brothers that are also named Tom Tillis, along with his father.
[00:27:38] His father's named Thomas Tillis. He's got two brothers named Tom Tillis, which is interesting. There's Thomas Rick Tillis and Thomas Tillis. Anyway, that's irrelevant, but he's, you know, highly educated. And he ended up moving to North Carolina in 1998 over in Cornelius. He runs for office shortly thereafter. So about less than five years, he gets into 2002.
[00:28:01] So about four years he's involved in politics and goes from there to being, I mean, he became a very relevant person in North Carolina politics. If you move here, and if you were to go many places in North Carolina, you would be shocked at how many people on town boards and county commissions are relative newcomers to North Carolina. Now, we are kind of an immigrant state, for lack of a better word, with respect to other states. A lot of folks, well, also out of the country too, but a lot of folks that move here, especially along the coast.
[00:28:29] If you go to the coast, you look at the communities that I'm very, very familiar with now. And you'll find communities where the people that are on the boards, that are on the town boards have been there two years, less than two years, barely got their registrations in time to run for office. And boom, populated and becoming devout lefties more and more. So I'm fascinated by the Tillis scenario because it is absolutely, and here's where I'm having trouble getting it. I get that he doesn't like Trump.
[00:28:58] I mean, I didn't, you know, the Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, they took a huge gamble in going after the president. They thought it was kind of a passing phase. They missed, they politically miscalculated. Cheney was horrible. They miscalculated the success of Trump in changing the party. So Kinzinger and Cheney thought, oh, well, we'll be able to rebuild the Republican Party in a post-Trumpian world. Remember, the Democrats put them on the committee attacking Trump because they knew they hated, that those two hated Trump.
[00:29:27] They did not allow the then minority leader to select anybody for the positions on that committee. So the Democrats, Nancy Pelosi and company selected people that hated Trump and Cheney and Kinzinger were the two folks. And so now Tillis has kind of replaced him as the Republican, the Trump-hating Republican. So the Democrats will probably love him to a certain extent, but they can't reconcile that with his record in North Carolina. So we'll see.
[00:29:54] I just don't understand why he chose this time to go scorched earth. I mean, we're heading into Labor Day. It's, you know, next year's election's coming up. Is his goal to hurt re-election? I don't know. For others, is his goal to hurt the Republican majority? He says it's to hurt the president, but the only real way to hurt the president is to make sure he doesn't have majorities to work with. That would be the way to hurt him. It's not like he accused him of scandalous behavior. Accused his staff.
[00:30:21] Anyway, I don't want to get into it too far, but you're welcome to be a part of the conversation, should you so desire to be so. I don't get it. Even his supporters are caught up. They're left defenseless. He didn't give them a lot of room to go. Now, having said that, what I wanted to talk about today was my love of the political left. Why would I say something I love? Because I love the fact that their new spokespeople are absolute wackadoos.
[00:30:51] I love that about them. I think it's a beautiful day. I think when AOC opens her mouth and tries to explain the world in a philosophical concept, that there's a plethora of bad things that come out of her mouth. I mean, it is a cacophony of mindless gobbledygook that comes pouring out. It makes Kamala's word salads, I don't know, look amateurish by comparison.
[00:31:16] When I hear Bernie Sanders speak about policy, I love it. I love when the political left. One of my favorites as of late is Jasmine Crockett. She's from Texas. And I love that microphones find a way to allow her to speak. And that she's allowed to speak. And given representation, she represents her constituents in Texas. And I would love for Jasmine Crockett to be the face of the party.
[00:31:46] You know, Democrats just say, I'm glad Trump's the face of the Republican Party. Y'all are toasted. I'm like, okay. Not so much. But Crockett, and I tell you what, I want to talk about this more, so it's definitely going to be on the other side of the break. Because I'm trying to search for, other than being anti-Trump, what is the Democrats, what is their vision? I told you one of the things about Trump that I do like, whether you like him personally, is very different than liking his policies.
[00:32:15] On the border, he told you what he was going to do. He's been doing it. He's executing that on taxes. He told you what he's going to do. He's doing that. He's continuing to go down the path. On NATO, they're going to pay their fair share. On tariffs, hey, it's a tool by which we negotiate better trade deals. DEI don't like it. Don't like, you know, women and men's, or men and women's sports. And then I look at where the Democrats find themselves. Are they giving you an alternate vision for the country? Because, you know, the defund the police movement did not come from the political right.
[00:32:44] It came from the political left. The no voter ID, that's the political left trying to say a voter ID is racist. The trans kids, that didn't come from the Republican side. It came from the Democrat side. The sanctuary cities, that phrase, that phrase as we know it in society, came from the political. It only exists in our vernacular because of Democrats. Otherwise, it wouldn't exist. Abolish ICE. The only people that have ever said that on the political left.
[00:33:11] Now, on the heels of Obama being the deporter in chief just a few years ago. He deported 2.7 million people. Critical race theory? Who do you think came up with that phrase? It wasn't conservatives. Only the left could come up with critical race theory and have that as something they want to hang their hat on. If they want to hang hats, maybe non-sexual hats. I don't know. Men and women's sports? Come on! No cash bail? These aren't phrases vetted by the political right.
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