Chad Adams in for Pete Kaliner (07-07-2025--Hour2)

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And you don't you know, Charlotte didn't get pounded with any of this, but this this trot, the remnants of this dropic storm dumped epic amounts of rain, especially if you get over toward More County, the Pie and her southern area up into Chatham County and then Durham. These rainfall totals in less than twenty four hours were huge. Now that ends up in the river streams, tributaries, all that stuff, and then it ends up in the rivers, and it'll end up in the Cape Fear River basin and probably other than others as well. But seven almost seven and a half inches in More County, the ten and a half inches up in Durham area of northern Chatham County, and the eleven eleven point two inches, these these huge and pockets were over ten inches where there were there worf was one woman died in Chatham County, and we were very lucky, in other words, we were very fortunate that it wasn't worse the and what's what's also interesting is how high this water has gotten with respect to what's happened in the past. Now I want to I'm gonna have a shout out. We're shout outs to I'm someone who has consistently been a critic of media, especially in North Carolina Charlotte Observer, News Observer, same company that doesn't like to ask Democrats very tough questions. It'll rush to ask Republican stuff questions. It's done that for decades and it even at wrl Over in the Raleigh market. That station is is notorious for having a left word tilt. Pro You know, if it can be portrayed as a climate change story, they'll do it. If it can be portrayed in a way that conservatives look bad, they can do it. All Their editorial cartoons are always left leaning. It's just the nature of the game, nature of the ballgame. And well, by the way, if you want to get into the conversation, it's seven oh four five seven eleven ten, seven four eleven ten. Now, having said that, when you start seeing an attempt to restore credulity, when you when you see an attempt to try to restore some kind of trust in media, especially in North Carolina, I'm going to give a shout out for that. And WRL did that because they had a golden opportunity with this five hundred. In fact, here's the headline, seantaral brings five hundred year, thousand year floods to parts of more Chadam, Orange and Durham Counties. Five hundred two thousand year flood meet. And so you could have thought that was a great opportunity for them to go with propaganda that it's climate change man made blah, blah blah blah blah. But it was a storm, and you know the storm that. By the way, the hurricanes are not more intense, they're not more frequent. We have a lot more people living at the coast, We have a lot more development at the coast, and in North Carolina we have millions of more people, we have millions of more rain gages, we have you know, millions of more sensor devices and ways of looking at things and satellites, and there's a thousand different things that we can measure things at the smallest of levels. But I'll give them credit. So here's where credits do the relentless run. I'm reading their story and I'll add commentary to it. The relentless rain from Chanteal brought on historic flooding on the Eno River, multiple water rescues, road closures, down trees, tornadoes and power outages. Widespread rain totals of four to eight inches we're seen in parts of More Chatham, Orange Counties, while they were pockets of five to ten or even more. Most of this fell within a six to twelve hour timeframe, making it very very when plugging in the rain totals for areas like Pinehurst Silar City in Chapel Hill, the rain we saw consistently fell into what we'd call five hundred year to one thousand year flood event. There you go, wow, thousand years. Oh my god's happening. The world's ending right. No, Then they said, how can it be a five hundred year thousand year flood event if we saw something like this in nineteen ninety six, And the person riding the story said, you know, we see this kind of question whenever this type of flooding occurs. Admittedly the phrase can be misconstrued. What it means is that statistically speaking, a flood like that has a zero point two percent too point one percent chance of happening in any given year. In fact, six inches or more of rain within twenty four hours is something that's only happened three times in Orange County. Those three times were during Florence, Fran and Floyd So nineteen ninety nine with Floyd, nineteen ninety six with Fran, and twenty eighteen with Florence. The Eno River near Durham rose to record levels as shown by what they had a picture there that it also happened. So the picture they have is where the water got to during fran in nineteen ninety six, and it got there again. It really just a way to put perspective on the significance of the rarity of a weather event Like that doesn't mean it happens, you know, it's like a roulette WILLI odds of it hitting one given number on any given time, there are odds for that. If it hit it three times in a row, that'd be huge. But with this, now think about that nineteen ninety six, nineteen ninety nine, twenty eighteen, So not every year, not even every two years, but it has happened. Now here's what's interesting about that, if you want to put it in a huge perspective, The number of sensors has dramatically increased, the rain gages, all of that. So the further back you go, the less weather records we have. So we don't know what may have happened two hundred years ago, three hundred years ago, four hundred years ago. We can dig through the geologic stuff and make a good guess, but you can't necessarily know an individual event like Hazel. What Hazel did at the coast versus what Hazel did from a rainfall perspective in North care the rest of inland from North Carolina is very different. So even if you look at the map, and I think the map is telling, it didn't. Outside of that small corridor if you go east or west of the line I just mentioned, which is more County Durham, Orange Chatham, that line, if you go east or west of that to Charlotte or down toward down toward the coast, hardly anything. It was very localized, very small, very It was not a widespread, not as widespread as we see with the typical tropical system. I only say that because WRL had the opportunity to infuse that story with politics and it chose not to, So kudos to that. When you get used to seeing that in the media and you don't see it also leaps off. So if you're accustomed to seeing bias and media, it leaps off the pages immediately when you're reading or seeing it, and I'll give you an example of that in a moment. But when you also see that they make an attempt to be fair minded about it, that also leaps off the pages, and it's good to see that. I hope this trend line continues where they're discussing facts now onto something completely because this is the way my brain works. Not like Elons, right, not like Elons because well, I'm not a multi billionaire. But when I see in TV, you see it too. The greatest Netflix jokes lately is whenever you watch Netflix, you know that a given show is going to have a leftward tilt. It's one of the most one of the most frustrating things I see when I'm trying to be entertained. A lot of us watch entertainment to not deal with the reality of what's going on in life. Right, you just want to detune, decompress, watch something. So I watched the show and it wasn't Netflix this time. I don't even remember what it was on. It's called The Pit great medical show. Get a chance to see it from a medical standpoint in know a while. Anyway. I only bring this to your attention because as I'm watching it is it is like twenty four the show with Keith er Sutherland in an emergency room in Pittsburgh. Medical stuff, fascinating, interesting, how they treat victims. But as you go through it, each episode takes place over the course of one hour, so that the second episode is the next hour, the third episode is the next hour in that emergency room, and they I'm not gonna give I'm not gonna try to give any of the show away. It's well done. But what is distracting is when they try to infuse almost every episode with a leftist argument or a leftist perspective that makes any conservative try to look stupid, like, I can't believe we're still having this discussion about whatever it is sex gender. They just infuse multiple things guns it would pick the issue, and they infuse every given show with a left You know, the white guy is always going to be the bad guy, right, that kind of stuff, and it just at a certain point it's distracting. Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of Asheville is your connection. 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Call or text eight two eight three six seven seventy sixty eight or check out all there is to offer at Cabins Offashville dot com and make memories that'll last a lifetime. Jack, you've been in hold and I appreciate that, and apologies for the delay there, Jack, Welcome to the show. How the heck are you today? Okay, Hey Chad, how are you doing? Buddy? I'm fantastic, hey, question man. And maybe I make a comment and maybe ask you a question, maybe you can help me out here. But you know, prior to the bill being passed, there was a lot of discussion about federal spending and you know, cutting the deficit and cutting federal spending. But you know, I was thinking the other day and I did some research on this just you know, as far as the individual states are concerned. But but if we were to cut federal spending, and of course, you know, cut the deficit, which that would help cut the deficit, what happens to all these states who are so dependent on federal spending in their particular states. Wouldn't this harm their economy? Like, for instance, I looked up last week. I wanted to find out what states are most dependent on federal money coming into their states, and number one was Alaska if I remember correctly. Number two is Kentucky, number three is West Virginia, and number five, I was surprised, is South Carolina. North Carolina ranks about thirty five thirty six, I believe. But these states are so dependent on federal money being spent in their states and money coming from the government. If we were to cut the death sit by decreasing federal spending, wouldn't this erectly harm their economies. Now, let me, first for our audience, state that everything Jack just said, except for the summation, is correct. Everything he said about those states that he named off Alaska, South Carolina, West Virginia are all true. It's called the disparity between those who are donor states and those who are recipient states. North Carolina, South Carolina is in that recipient's No. No, I'm saying, I'm telling the audience in case they thought you were some kind of you know, I think you lean left, but I think those facts that you stated are absolutely correct. Now where it gets interesting that you did make a statement in there that I would take issue with, which is that the lack of government redistribution of money, which is what I would call what you're talking about, is going to destroy the or hurt. You didn't destroy. You were kind of kind about that, but it is going to wreck the economy because you're saying that basically government spending is keeping those economies afloat. Let me let me know if i'm I'll say I have a dramatic impact is a better word. Okay, But this is where you know that people and a lot of people believe this that government spending sustains an economy or does that to it? Now? One of the problems we've got in this country. And I think hopefully you kind of agree with this, because I don't think you like debt and deficits much even if you made lean left, is that that is not good for our economy to continue spending without an ability to pay for it. I mean, and while you know, while I was prepping for your call, we're at thirty seven trillion in debt. That debt clock is the slightest I've seen it moving foot now, still moving forward, but it's the slowest i've seen it moving forward in years. So we see it. It's got a they've added a doge clock, which is a savings per taxpayer of about forty eight hundred dollars. But still the debt percisen is at one hundred and eight thousand. The debt per taxpayer is at three hundred and twenty three thousand. Uh So, these debts and deficits are are astounding, and we have to do something about now. To your point, which I think is ahead question, but we've always had a definity and when was the last time that we did not have a deficit, Andrew Jackson, and then I think again sometime in the early nineteen Hudreds. I don't rember the exact date, but nonetheless, at a certain point you are borrowing money. But it's the acceleration of it. I mean, we were at what four trillion just about twenty years ago, and now we're at thirty seven. So the acceleration of that. Remember, that's a number that we're obligated to. That you, I, all the American good faith were obligated to. And to pretend here's the problem I have, and you tell me where I'm wrong, don't I want to answer a question by asking one, Okay, because I think your point. I'm not an expert on this subject. I'm not. No, no, no, no, no, But I think no. I think your questions are fair. But I do think one is the scoring by the Congressional Budget Office is I believe, historically now completely inaccurate. Because the Congressional Budget Office, which doesn't share how they score a given bill's impact anywhere you know, it says that it's going to increase the deficit by more than two trillion. That's why Ran Paul voted against it. It's why Tillis, you know, kind of went the way he went. But the Congressional Budget Office scores thing from what people can tell in a static way. In other words, it doesn't do it dynamically. In other words, if I said I was going to run taxes up to one hundred percent of your income, then it would collect all that money. But the truth of the matter is if I raised your taxes tow one hundred percent, you would find a different way to make money, or go to cash or something like that. I wouldn't get all the money from you from a government standpoint. So that's the difference in the static and dynamic. Whenever you change the rules, you have a dynamic effect on an economy. I don't think these these states are going to get wrecked. I think people saying they're going to get wrecked states will alter change course. They will fundamentally do things differently. On the Medicaid they shouldn't have been balancing their budgets on Medicaid money anyway. That's one of the shifty things that some of these states have done, where they say I'm going to get reimbursed for Medicaid and then I'll use that money somewhere else. That they shouldn't be doing it go straight to Medicaid reimbursement. So I'm not pretending I'm going to give you all those answers. I do believe that government is broken with respect to borrowing, borrowing, borrowing, and there is a price to be paid for that we can't continue to coast. Is this bill going to be comfortable for everybody? I do not believe it will be. That's why I think. But don't you think if we ever got to reach the point, Chad, if we ever reached the point where it got to the point where we just simply couldn't pay the debts, that we can't get it down, that debt would just swiftly be forgiven in some form of fashion to maintain the economy and financial integrity to the country. That debt could just be I just don't think that we're ever going to reach a point. I'm seventy one years old now. I don't think we're in my lifetime. I don't think we're ever going to reach a point where we're going to eliminate the federal deficit. I really don't. I don't think you'll ever eliminate it. I think that we need to get it more under control. And I do think that it is a problem if, for instance, the people who we owe the debt two start losing that faith in I mean, if you have, and I would make it. Gosh, you've got such a great series of questions I want to get to because I think they're really critical. Jack, if you could stay through this break, because I think your call is important and I don't want to gloss over it, So if you could stay on the phone through the break, I'd appreciate it, because there's more to discuss on this. Okay, thanks man, Thanks all right. If you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, and I know you do too, And you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why Well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with ground News. It's an app and it's a website, and it combines news from around the world one place, so you can compare coverage and verify information. You can check it out at check dot ground dot news slash Pete. I put the link in the podcast description too. I started using ground News a few months ago and more recently chose to work with them as an affiliate because it lets me see clearly how stories get covered and by whom. 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I think it's a great talking point for a lot of our politicians, but I don't think that they want to get in the weeds and actually solve the problem. And then when I did my research last week, I just wanted to find out, you know, how do we spend our federal money and where our federal dollars are going. And then when I saw the states, you know who are so dependent on federal dollars, and some of those leaders from those states are always the ones who are talking about the deficit, but yet they're consuming more federal dollars than many of the other states. So I just don't think there's a resolve. I think it's a great talking point, and I don't think there's any intention of ever resolving our federal debt and cutting federal spending to a level that's acceptable to everyone. So jack the interest on that debt that you think they're not cerious about solving, and I think there's a lot of truth to that on both parties that aren't. The interest on that debt is a trillion dollars a year. That means we as Americans, we're diligent, which is unbelievable, but that's a trillion. It's just over a trillion dollars a year, and that has to be paid before any dollar gets spent to help one US citizen a trillion a year gone just on interest. Now, if we're not if we're not concerned about it, we need to be worried because you know, if you have a high enough debt, debt debt levels affect consumer confidence, so you'll end it with higher interest rates, you'll end it with slower economic growth. All these things do hinder their times. It does. What about you know, if an investor confidence goes away on the US dollar and the dollar, someone says, you know what, maybe we need to stabilize on a different currency, not the US dollar because it's kind of worthless with all this debt. And also what the government can and can do. The more of that one trillion that we're paying just an interest, it also hinders the government's ability to do these programs at a certain level. So it does matter and p perspective, you know, when you look at the debt as a percentage of gross domestic product, I mean most I don't know how old you are, but from the time I was pretty much born, it was around forty percent. I'm seventy, I'm seventy years old. Okay, well you sound young. You sound young relative that. So from the time you were born on, it was about forty percent. In the nineties, it got up to about sixty plus sixty five percent as a percentage of gross domestic product. And then suddenly, and we find ourselves in about twenty fourteen, it goes over one hundred percent. It zoomed up in twenty twenty under Biden, it went up to about one hundred and thirty percent of the gross domestic product, and now it's back down. If I could even say that's down to about one hundred and twenty plus percent, that means we're spending more than our gross domestic product just on the debt. Just the debt is more than our whole domestic product. To me, that's problematic. And I know this is boring, it's unsexy, but you get it. No, this is so do you think and I need to go back and listen to what Alon Musk said, but do you think he's right when he said this last bill is not it's going to increase the deficit? Do you think he's right? I think that he's wrong, And I'll tell you why, because if you're using the Congressional Budget Office scoring, they have historically been wrong for Democrats and Republicans for Democrats, you know that are eternally optimistic that their spending is not going to get him in trouble. It tends to be worse. For Republicans who want to downplay, Oh, it's not going to be as bad as Democrats say that, they use the same group. I don't know why they haven't, but they don't go with outside of the Congressional Budget Office. But the CBO scores at a two trillion adding. I don't think it'll add that much because if we get the kind of productivity I believe will happen, that number will come down. I do think red states are going to have to figure out how to deal with and they really need to get into work, getting people to work that are on that can work. If you can work, you need to be working. I think that's the most serious problem facing our country is here. So why do you think that the so called red states are conservative states who vote tend to vote conservative and vote Republican, who tend to be more dependent on federal dollars. Why do you think they vote that way? I think the same reason North Carolina did. I think public pressure builds medicaid expansion with something Republicans did in this state. I think they saw the lure of easy money from the federal government. All we're going to get reimbursed, were getting ninety percent of it, so we're going to a lot of it paid for a very little burden on us. And they get into that trap, and then the trap gets sprung. The reimbursements still come in the way they want. There's waste, fraud, abuse, and it gets worse. I don't know why Republicans. I never dreamed that Republicans would be the one to expand medicaid to North Carolina, as they did in South Carolina, as they did in Alaska, as they did in West Virginia, Mississippi, and all these other states. It is a problem for them moving forward though, not going to go away. And you can't continue to chase this because the point at which the public believes the government can fund everything is we become less and less productive, and that, to to me, that's the downfall. I mean, I think certainly there are military threats in other countries' dreams of being empires, but I think from within is how we undo ourselves, and a lack of financial go ahead. Hey, Chad, last question here, So what would your advice be to a state like West Virginia, like Kentucky, like Arkansas, like South Carolina. These are among and for lack of a better term, this, these are what we do. These are what we call the poor states, you know, low end. That's a relative term. But yeah, I think that they need to have they need to have work requirements in Alabama. How do they work their way through this? How do they how do they become more self sufficient? You've got to You've got It's kind of like anything else. It's not going to be easy. There's going to be some painful lessons learned. But I do believe this, and I strongly. I like federalism. I like kicking more power back to the states. I like getting away from federal dependency for all states. And I do think those states need to learn how to live, thrive and survive on their own more. And I do think that getting more able bodied Americans back into the workforce. I think the community college shift that North Carolina has done and others have done, getting into the trades. I think there's a lot of ideas that I'm not even aware of yet because I haven't looked at those other states in detail. But I am more optimistic than not. But I do think federal dependency is bad. 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That's what your photos and videos are. They are your life told through the eyes of everyone around you and all who came before you, and they will tell others to come who you are visit creative video dot Com. There's so many science y kind of things. It's the second week of July kind of the height or I guess we're on the down if you're at the coast, it's the downwind of the summer. Right. You're heading now toward Labor Day and onto Christmas, And as you get older, it's it's like a really fast move conveyor built. The older you get, the faster it comes around. Now, you know, I was I'm always intrigued by kind of a static way of looking at things as a former investment guy and entrepreneur now and love love investing, buying businesses, turning them around, and things like that. I'm always amazed at statics, static ways of looking at things. You know, your kids. It says, if your kids nine or ten and you think they're going to be nine or ten for five more years, they're not. You know, they're growing, changing. And the same thing with the way people conduct an act that we're in a dynamic situation. I mean, nobody could have if you were making predictions about where tech was headed in two thousand and five, six, even into seven a little bit. You know the impact of the impact of the iPhone dramatically changed the way tech happened and it's influence on society and the way we look at things. And you know, when you see cities looking at their etjs, the extra territorial jurisdictions, a lot of times cities just sink, okay, I want, and I think, and we think collectively that the south side of our town's going is where all the economic development's going. So we're gonna extend our ETJ out there, and then lo and behold well, because somebody puts a plant or something in a different direction, all of a sudden, all of the new development takes place along that corridor and the south side is irrelevant. Or in the City of Charlotte's case, they look at things very statically with rail lines and they say, we're gonna put a rail line here because it's really hustle bustle time. But ten years from now that could be a dead area of town, and the town takes off and gets hot in another area, and all of a sudden, they have a light rail that goes to nothing or no one uses, or to a more dangerous part of town, whereas a bus line can move. And again it sounds like I'm taking potshots at Charlotte, don't mean to be just their illustrations of a static versus that dynamic world. So when you look at what's going to happen with this big, beautiful bill, whether you hate it or whether you love it, I think a lot of good's going to come out, and I think there is some fiscal responsibility that will happen out of it. I think states are going to have to get away from their addictions to these things. And what always leads to a great deal of chagrin to me personally is when when you add government spending to a given equation and then pretend it was all need based, and then when you say I'm going to take this away, it's the end of the world. All of these hospitals came about before this Medicaid. All of these hospitals operated, you know, before the Medicaid expansion and got themselves controlled. Remember Affordable Healthcare, the ACA that Democrats screened was going to make healthcare more affordable did not. It didn't make health insurance more affordable. It just shifted a lot of the responsibility over to subsidies. So, look, you could get a plan, but it was heavily. You can get a plan and go to the healthcare dot Gov. Look, I can get insurance for five hundred dollars a month. But the plan itself, that was after the subsidies. So the plan went through the roof, doctors started getting picked up by hospitals, and all of a sudden, we have these healthcare cartels across North Carolina. And so when I look, and I'm not pretending it's an easy issue, but when I look through stories about this, there's several. The Guardian over at the US has one about North Carolina, and it talks about the fact that you know, hey, North Carolina is going to lose thirty two billion dollars in federal funding over the next decade, according to an analysis by the by Tillis's office, He's one of just three Senators who voted against the villain Tuesday. North Carolina's expansion only went into effect less than two years ago, by the way, December twenty three, and less than nineteen months it has enrolled more than six hundred and fifty thousand people. So the state aggressively tried to get more people on Medicaid, and now what it will do the left, Oh you're gonna cut all of this, because once you confer a benefit upon someone, it's as if that benefit should go forever. And that's where the heartless part of being a cont hervative comes in. That's where because if you're if you're a true liberal and you truly love people, there is no accountability. I mean, you would say that, hey, why don't we teachers always if you said I want to give teachers a fifteen percent raise, oh, you heartless Republican teachers deserve far bigger raises. Okay, what's what's the rays they deserve? What's the limit beyond which you wouldn't go? They will never kind of give you that. Whatever the Republicans propose, it'll be more than but it's never enough. And this is where I sound to you that are on the left listening to this broadcast that the heartless because there's no amount of government spending that the left is ever satisfied with. If we were to enroll four million people in medicaid, if we were to get every citizen in the state on medicaid except for those evil rich people, then that would be considered a success. The governor, you know, Josh Stein, would say, look, we have five million more people on Medicaid. This is great. And I remember through the past year and a half of constantly saying, this is not a time to celebrate the fact that you have more people on Medicaid than ever for it's not a celebration. That's just moving to socialized medicine. That's not a celebrations, that's an abject felt. We have ten million people in the state. We added six hundred and fifty thousand in addition to the one point some I almost you know, in a state of ten million people, ten million plus, and you're enrolling two million in Medicaid twenty percent, thirty percent? I mean, what's the magic number? And you never get that kind of answer. So what you say is, you know this is I love this. They quoted Molly Zinckler in this article from The Guardian. She is the nurse at Mission Hospital in Asheville. Here's what she had to say. Ultimately, Medicaid being cut is going to kill people. That's it, no discussion, no policy, just going to kill people. I deal with people getting their feet literally amputated because they don't have access to diabetic care. Do they really not have access or not have knowledge about where to get help. So she's saying they're getting their feet cut off now that they've expanded Medicaid, they're getting their feet cut off. People are dying, and I don't think that's I know that's not entirely true. So the goal is to enroll as many people as possible, and then if you cut, gut or do anything to it, it's to scream at the top of the trees, how horrific and how devastating it is. What is horrible and devastating is a trillion dollars paid on interest that's taken away from that's coming right out of the economy, A trillion dollars a year coming out of the economy just to pay interest on the national debt. We can't continue rolling these dice. And is the left interested in doing anything to fix that? Not, not a thing. Is the right doing it aggressively? No, because it's so painful. Because if you look at where we have, these entitlement programs have eaten us alive, and trying to be irresponsible adult is like telling a kid, know what the at this grocery store, I want it, mommy, No, you can't have it. And that's the Left is but everyone buys into it. Now we have to get upset about it. You're gonna hurt People's devastating. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 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