This episode is presented by Create A Video – On his way out the door, President Joe Biden... well... probably his staffers and handlers... issued a ban on off-shore oil drilling that they claim is meant to save the global climate. But it's really designed to jam up the incoming Trump administration.
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[00:00:28] Hey, welcome to the program. It is me, Pete Kaliner. It is I, Pete Kaliner. Hope you had a fantastic holiday season. I was off for two straight weeks, not that anybody really noticed, I think. Thank you very much to Chad Adams for filling in. I think was Chad the only fill-in I caught? I think he was the only one that filled in for me. But I also know Nick Craig did a bunch of substitute work.
[00:00:51] And Brett Winterbull apparently just took over everybody's show across the country, as I understand. He was doing fill-in work for various national shows all over the country. No, I had a good vacation. Got a lot done. Like, I spent two days, actually, writing 2025 on all of my checks just to kind of get the muscle memory going. You know? Well, this way you avoid the embarrassment.
[00:01:21] And mistakes at the grocery checkout, you know? So you just kind of, so I just, just two straight days, just writing 20. Yes, I went through a lot of checks. I had to avoid a lot of checks. But I'm writing 2025 everywhere now. So it was worth it.
[00:01:39] I had nine recalls done on my car. Well, I mean, all at once. It's not like I took it in for nine different appointments. I brought it all in over to the Planet Mitsubishi folks.
[00:01:53] And they were like, oh, yeah, you got a recall here. I said, yeah, that's, I got a text message. And they're like, you got to get a recall. So I said, okay, fine. I'll take it in for the recall because you got to take it to the dealership.
[00:02:04] And they were like, whoa, you've got nine recalls still open on this vehicle? It's 12 years old. And I've never, I don't think I've, I've never taken it in for the recall work.
[00:02:18] And so I got them all done at once. I will say, I was pleasantly surprised. The guy who is the, the counter guy at the, at the dealership, the service area. He was awesome. It is, he made eye contact. He had a good attitude. He was smiling. He was conversational. Younger fella. Like I was really impressed.
[00:02:46] So kudos to them. Let's see. I got some lumber cut. I mean, I had, had somebody else cut it, but I had to go to the lumber yard and pick out the board. And then they cut it up. Carolina lumber. These are not, these are not a Carolina urban lumber. These are not sponsors of the program. I just, it was a really good experience.
[00:03:10] So like you went down there, we picked this. I'm going to do some shelves. So I just needed a weird shape to fit in the stupid toilet rooms that they build in these houses.
[00:03:22] I do not understand why they build a separate toilet room in the bathroom. The whole room is the bathroom guys anyway. So they have, they built this little toilet closet.
[00:03:31] And so you go in there and there's like nothing in there. So got some shelves cut. Oh, what else? Oh, I cleaned up my iPod because I've lost a couple of accounts over the years.
[00:03:45] And so I basically had to rip every single CD that I own back into a rebuilt library. That took me about a week when, but I was also doing the, the 2025 check, uh, training.
[00:04:00] So I was multitasking. So there was some overlap there. Uh, but that guy, I did all of that. I did production work for the ads, uh, for the, uh, I made a, made a, a digital ad, a digital ad.
[00:04:15] That's going to go out onto the Twitter machine. Um, oh, and then I just saw as if this, as if this couldn't get any better.
[00:04:24] I just saw that Fidel Trudeau resigned. Like what a day I am having now. I have remembered how to speak. I'm writing 2025 on my checks and Fidel Trudeau has resigned up in Canada.
[00:04:39] That is fantastic news for Canadians. Um, also be aware one o'clock they're going to be, uh, doing the certification of the presidential, uh, election results up in Congress.
[00:04:53] We're not going to carry it live cause it's really kind of boring. They, they just, you know, we'll give our votes to whatever. And they just call out the state names and stuff, whatever.
[00:05:02] So, but we'll dip in and out just in case, you know, an insurrection breaks out. Um, and three o'clock also North Carolina's new governor, Josh Stein, uh, will have his, uh, cabinet members sworn at, uh, sworn in, sorry, sworn in the swearing at comes later.
[00:05:22] Uh, swearing in. So, uh, yes, that now you're completely, uh, up to date, um, on how I spend two weeks as if you were interested.
[00:05:34] Now I will note, um, there has been some, um, some more fingers in the eyes of, uh, Americans by the, uh, president staffers.
[00:05:48] I think that's what we should just call this administration at this point because it's not Biden, right?
[00:05:54] And it hasn't been. And we went over this half a month ago. It sounds longer when I say it like that.
[00:06:01] But before I went on vacation, um, we had the big wall street journal report that showed with what 50 sources, uh, that the president has been in cognitive decline.
[00:06:14] Um, and ha and has been getting worse and worse and worse, but he, but there were signs of this during the 2020 campaign.
[00:06:23] They knew this, his handlers knew it, his staffers and aides, everybody knew it.
[00:06:27] Of course, now they're pretending like every other day, they'll be flipping back and forth, pretending that they knew or that they didn't.
[00:06:37] Just depending on what the, the current need is. Um, this is one of the nice things about being a Democrat, being a leftist, is that you get to have, uh, these sliding, uh, uh, positions based on whatever the need right now is.
[00:06:55] Right? Like believe all women or not, uh, sex is gender, uh, when, except when it's not right back and forth, back and forth, depending on whatever the current issue is.
[00:07:06] So, um, I saw this story over the weekend and this actually is the story from the Huffington, Puffington Post, right?
[00:07:14] Um, Biden bans fossil fuel drilling across 600 million acres of U.S. waters and Huffington Post, hardly a conservative rag.
[00:07:29] Um, President Joe Biden permanently banned oil and gas drilling across 625 million acres of federal waters.
[00:07:39] Along with cementing Biden's legacy.
[00:07:45] They're so, gosh, they're so focused on this legacy thing for him.
[00:07:50] I said this on Twitter, uh, when they're talking about, you know, Joe Biden's legacy, trying to build his legacy and he's, they're, they're going out there and trying to burnish his legacy.
[00:08:00] With all the commutations, right?
[00:08:03] I was on vacation for that.
[00:08:04] I'm sure that got covered, uh, in great detail over the last two weeks.
[00:08:08] So like all of these people that Joe Biden has commuted sentences for, I mean, besides his son, but like all of the other people, um, you know, part of his legacy, he's doing all of this for his legacy.
[00:08:19] And he's trying to tell people what his legacy is and all that.
[00:08:22] It's like, guys, legacies are like nicknames.
[00:08:26] Okay.
[00:08:27] The author of the, uh, the nickname can't be the one that's getting the nickname.
[00:08:33] They gotta be different.
[00:08:34] You don't get to, you don't get to make up your own nickname.
[00:08:38] And then tell everybody that this is what you're going by now.
[00:08:41] You know, that's, that's kind of the deal with the legacies.
[00:08:46] Also, Jimmy Carter, speaking of legacies, Jimmy Carter, his body is laying in repose at the Capitol.
[00:08:52] Um, and people are going by, they're going to be doing the funeral and all of that.
[00:08:57] So Jimmy Carter passed away, uh, thereby cementing Joe Biden as the, uh, the worst living ex president now.
[00:09:05] So there's the, there's that legacy that he's got going for him.
[00:09:09] But I find this, this of note that you're going to ban fossil fuel drilling as the Huffington Post calls it, or as I would call it, you know, energy exploration and development.
[00:09:22] Um, so they're going to ban this in 600 million acres of us waters.
[00:09:28] They're doing it by executive order.
[00:09:29] And this is supposed to cement his legacy on combating global climate change.
[00:09:39] Quick question.
[00:09:41] Why now?
[00:09:43] Why not immediately when he got into office?
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[00:11:04] So the Huffington Post does this story about Joe Biden permanently banning oil and gas drilling across 625 million acres of federal waters.
[00:11:15] Cementing Biden's legacy on combating global climate change, the withdrawal is likely to deliver a lasting blow to President-elect Donald Trump's plans for unfettered fossil fuel development in the coming years.
[00:11:31] And my question, because you know me, I'm a why guy.
[00:11:35] Yes, I'm also a wise guy, but I am also a why guy.
[00:11:39] Why?
[00:11:40] Why now?
[00:11:41] Why are you doing this now?
[00:11:43] If it was so important, right?
[00:11:45] Because that would be the first, I would imagine, first response to the question of why.
[00:11:50] Because, by the way, when you're interviewing somebody or, you know, like lawyers will be asking questions, they know what the answers should be.
[00:11:58] That's why they ask those questions to get them on the record.
[00:12:00] So, okay, ask the question, why are you doing this?
[00:12:03] And they say, to combat global climate change.
[00:12:06] That's the cover story.
[00:12:08] The real motive is to jam up Donald Trump, right?
[00:12:12] To prevent him from doing what he has promised to do.
[00:12:17] Okay.
[00:12:18] Why?
[00:12:19] So, let's go with your cover story.
[00:12:21] Then, why now?
[00:12:22] Why are you waiting until you're, you know, one foot out the door before you implement this kind of super important, really critical executive order
[00:12:35] to ban all of the oil drilling off the coasts of the country?
[00:12:40] Why now?
[00:12:42] Well, if they had done it, say, three years ago, well, that would not be helpful to Joe Biden.
[00:12:50] Right?
[00:12:52] Because the investment in energy production, right, the money would dry up and people and companies would look to do other things with their capital.
[00:13:03] It might impact the markets in a very negative way.
[00:13:09] And if I remember correctly, you know, I am old enough to remember this.
[00:13:13] You may not be, but I am that three years ago, Joe Biden was drawing down all of the strategic petroleum reserves.
[00:13:24] He was taking out all of the oil to try to keep the gas prices low because inflation was driving down his poll numbers.
[00:13:33] I mean, further driving down his poll numbers because they were really low after the Afghanistan withdrawal.
[00:13:38] But besides that, like further driving down those numbers.
[00:13:42] And so you couldn't do it then because it might hurt him.
[00:13:48] Courage.
[00:13:49] Courage.
[00:13:49] As Dan Rather would say.
[00:13:51] That's right.
[00:13:52] That is political courage right there.
[00:13:55] Right?
[00:13:55] That's how important the climate change agenda is to Joe Biden.
[00:14:00] That when forced to choose between his own political prospects, his own polling and doing what obviously has to be done to save Gaia Earth.
[00:14:13] He chose himself.
[00:14:16] That's it.
[00:14:17] Right?
[00:14:18] That's the it's just like with Justin Trudeau.
[00:14:20] Baby Fidel up there in Canada.
[00:14:23] Same thing.
[00:14:25] Did you hear his comment today was something like, oh, there's, you know, all of this internal strife going on inside of his political party and his governing party and all of this.
[00:14:37] And so he can't possibly devote enough attention to leading the country if he's dealing with this internal strife.
[00:14:47] Right?
[00:14:48] No.
[00:14:49] Because if you were going to win, then it wouldn't matter.
[00:14:54] Right?
[00:14:54] If you were going to beat back whatever the opposition was from within your own party or coalition, then it wouldn't matter.
[00:15:01] You would beat it back and you would continue on.
[00:15:04] No.
[00:15:04] The problem is he can't win.
[00:15:07] He's not winning.
[00:15:08] He's losing.
[00:15:09] And so, therefore, he's going to pretend that the cover story is the truth, which is he's doing it for the good of other people.
[00:15:17] See?
[00:15:19] These people are so transparent.
[00:15:21] All right.
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[00:15:39] And then the room gets all quiet.
[00:15:41] All eyes are on dad who says, oh, you know, well, I've been meaning to, but I just haven't gotten around to it.
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[00:16:28] So Joe Biden, on his way out, well, let's be clear, the presidential staffers on their way out the door had Joe Biden sign an executive order to ban offshore drilling for all of our federal waters.
[00:16:44] The order, the largest such mineral withdrawal in U.S. history, permanently protects coastal waters spanning the entire Atlantic and Pacific coasts, as well as the eastern Gulf of Mexico and 44 million acres of the northern Bering Sea.
[00:17:04] That's off the coast of western Alaska.
[00:17:08] In a statement, Biden, or his staff, invoked the latest environmental disaster out in these drilling platforms, the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.
[00:17:25] From 2010.
[00:17:27] That's been now 15 years, folks.
[00:17:30] 15 years.
[00:17:31] You're still getting mileage out of that one, are you?
[00:17:33] Okay.
[00:17:36] They said in their statement, the staffers did, quote, it's not worth the risks.
[00:17:41] So again, well then why now?
[00:17:43] Was it not worth the risks four years ago?
[00:17:47] Up until now, you've been letting this occur, but now you're going to block it off for Trump.
[00:17:54] Huffington Post, piece by Chris D'Angelo, says the sweeping protections rely on a provision of the 1953 Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act,
[00:18:10] or the OCSLA, or the OCSLA, as I like to call it,
[00:18:17] which gives presidents the power to permanently block offshore leasing for oil and gas development.
[00:18:23] The law, however, does not include language giving presidents the authority to reverse such a withdrawal.
[00:18:36] So this is the problem.
[00:18:38] When Congress wrote the law, they did not write into the law that the president can reverse himself or herself or reverse a prior order.
[00:18:51] It was like, no, once you do it, that's it.
[00:18:53] All done.
[00:18:54] Locked in forever and ever.
[00:18:58] Well, they didn't say it was locked in forever and ever, but that's been the practical implication,
[00:19:03] as was litigated by the norm-preserving Barack Obama.
[00:19:09] Right.
[00:19:11] Yes.
[00:19:13] Yes.
[00:19:13] This was litigated when Obama did the same thing on the way out of the door in 2019.
[00:19:20] He did the same thing.
[00:19:22] And when Trump came in and tried to reverse it, it got litigated.
[00:19:28] And an Obama judge sided with Obama.
[00:19:34] When President Obama invoked the same provision of the law in 2016 to block offshore drilling in large areas of the Arctic and Atlantic oceans.
[00:19:46] 2016.
[00:19:47] Wait a minute, I thought he was out in 2016.
[00:19:49] Oh.
[00:19:50] So he did it on his way, his way out the door as well.
[00:19:54] 2016.
[00:19:56] He wanted to block offshore drilling in large areas of the Arctic and Atlantic oceans.
[00:20:00] A White House official said that the protections would stand the test of time.
[00:20:04] That has proven true.
[00:20:06] In 2019, a judge, Obama appointed, ruled that Trump's executive order in 2017 revoking the Obama-era ban was unlawful.
[00:20:19] And only Congress could lift such a withdrawal.
[00:20:27] So, I went back and looked at the story at the time.
[00:20:32] This was from March 2019 at the New York Times.
[00:20:38] Piece by Coral Development.
[00:20:40] Oh, sorry.
[00:20:41] Coral Davenport.
[00:20:43] Sorry.
[00:20:43] I thought it was.
[00:20:47] Really?
[00:20:47] Somebody named Coral is doing environmental writing at the New York Times.
[00:20:52] Again with the Dickensian names.
[00:20:55] Anyway.
[00:20:55] In a major legal blow to President Trump's push to expand offshore oil and gas development,
[00:21:00] a federal judge ruled that an executive order by Mr. Trump that lifted an Obama-era ban on oil and gas drilling in the Arctic Ocean
[00:21:09] and parts of the North Atlantic coast was unlawful.
[00:21:12] This is once again one of those things where the Democrat president puts something in place and then nobody can ever take it away.
[00:21:19] The decision by Judge Sharon Gleason of the U.S. District Court for the District of Alaska concluded that
[00:21:28] President Barack Obama's 2015 and 2016 withdrawal from drilling of about 120 million acres of Arctic Ocean
[00:21:35] and about 3.8 million acres in the Atlantic, quote,
[00:21:39] will remain in force and effect unless and until revoked by Congress.
[00:21:44] She wrote that an executive order by Mr. Trump in April of 2017 that revoked the drilling ban was unlawful because it exceeded the president's authority.
[00:22:00] So we found an instance of where the left is not all in on presidential authority.
[00:22:07] It's when the other guy's got power.
[00:22:09] Then it's like, oh, no, no, no, no.
[00:22:11] We're not cool with that.
[00:22:13] We want our guy to be able to write these executive orders and do the stuff we want him to do with the stroke of a pen or the dialing of a phone.
[00:22:22] And when he's then gone and we got the orange man in there and the orange man wants to now use his pen and his phone to undo the thing that was done by the pen and the phone.
[00:22:33] Well, now you can't do that.
[00:22:35] See, once you write these.
[00:22:36] So, OK, well, if this is the case, then how about Donald Trump then just say, OK, you know what?
[00:22:43] We're going to do like all of this stuff in an executive order and we'll put it in place.
[00:22:47] And then you guys can't undo this one forever and ever.
[00:22:51] No, no, no.
[00:22:52] I'm sure that'll get litigated.
[00:22:54] And I'm sure that the Democrats and the leftist lawyers with the wardrobe change will, of course, overturn that.
[00:23:01] The case adds to a growing roster of legal losses for Mr. Trump's efforts to undo Obama's environmental legacy.
[00:23:10] Experts in environmental law estimate that the Trump administration has now lost about 40 environmental cases in federal courts.
[00:23:18] Most immediately, the decision will force the Interior Department to withdraw the waters of the Arctic Ocean from its upcoming plan on where they would lease federal waters to oil companies for drilling.
[00:23:31] Later on in this pretty lengthy piece, they say Mr. Obama's efforts to use his executive authority to ban drilling in the Arctic Ocean and Trump's efforts to undo that ban are legally unprecedented.
[00:23:46] This was never done before because nobody had ever contemplated this kind of twisting of the law.
[00:23:54] Again, like for people that grew up, you know, older or longer ago than about 10 years.
[00:24:01] Like the idea that gender and sex are two different things and you can be a different gender than your sex.
[00:24:09] Like that whole concept is just poof, just out of nowhere, out of the blue.
[00:24:13] Right.
[00:24:14] And then everybody has to scramble to adopt this new mantra, this this new tenet of the religion and.
[00:24:23] That blowing up of the norms and.
[00:24:27] And the kicker on it to me has always been like nobody ever points that out, that this is.
[00:24:33] A destruction of.
[00:24:36] Long held.
[00:24:37] Long held.
[00:24:37] Mutual.
[00:24:38] Understandings.
[00:24:40] And that creates a high trust in our society.
[00:24:43] And when you blow up the norms.
[00:24:47] You then create more and more distrust and you see it everywhere.
[00:24:52] All right.
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[00:25:57] Steve Malloy is a senior legal fellow at the Energy and Environment Legal Institute.
[00:26:04] He joins me now and he has a piece over at the New York Post headline.
[00:26:08] Trump will make America energy dominant with frack executive executive cabinet pick.
[00:26:14] Steve, welcome to the show, sir.
[00:26:15] How are you?
[00:26:16] Hey, Pete.
[00:26:16] Thanks for having me.
[00:26:17] I'm doing great.
[00:26:17] Yeah, good.
[00:26:18] So first off, I was going over the ban in the through the executive order that the president did of all of the federal waters try to jam up Trump on his way in.
[00:26:30] Do you have any thoughts on on that as he's walking out the door, you know, to protect the climate now versus, say, four years ago when he first got into office?
[00:27:07] Yeah.
[00:27:09] So Trump has nominated a fellow by the name of Chris Wright to be the secretary of energy.
[00:27:28] So who is this guy?
[00:27:29] Well, so Chris Wright is a very successful energy executive.
[00:27:32] He has specialized in fracking.
[00:27:36] He has started a couple fracking companies.
[00:27:39] He's become a billionaire.
[00:27:41] Interestingly enough, he will be the first secretary of energy that has any experience in the energy industry.
[00:27:49] Now, I don't you know, conservatives have wanted to get rid of the Department of Energy.
[00:27:53] And I agree with that.
[00:27:54] It's a Carter-era invention.
[00:27:56] It's not needed.
[00:27:58] But as long as we have it, we might as well have energy policy influenced by an actual energy executive.
[00:28:06] So you had something in your piece.
[00:28:08] I did not know this.
[00:28:09] Ninety percent of oil production today involves fracking.
[00:28:14] Yeah.
[00:28:14] What is it?
[00:28:14] So how is that possible?
[00:28:16] I did not.
[00:28:17] I guess they're not separate things.
[00:28:20] Well, fracking is a technique, right?
[00:28:22] It's an engineering technique for producing oil.
[00:28:25] And we used to just drill for oil conventionally.
[00:28:28] And then during the 2000s, fracking became feasible and has just taken over the industry.
[00:28:34] And so that is largely how we became energy dominant during Trump won.
[00:28:42] It's through fracking because of fracking and all the possibilities that unlocked is how Obama was able to wage war successfully against the coal industry.
[00:28:51] Okay.
[00:28:52] Because, you know, fracking just makes everything more possible.
[00:28:55] We have essentially infinite oil and gas now because of fracking.
[00:28:59] So, yeah, it's very important to us.
[00:29:03] Fracking is not just some bizarre.
[00:29:04] It's not just some bizarre technology that we can do without.
[00:29:06] We need it.
[00:29:07] I guess I thought fracking was about gas versus oil production.
[00:29:12] Yeah, they fracked oil, too.
[00:29:14] Oh, yes.
[00:29:14] I did not know that.
[00:29:15] Interesting.
[00:29:16] Okay.
[00:29:16] So, you write also that the Biden administration handed back to OPEC control over the global price of oil.
[00:29:25] Yeah.
[00:29:26] So, how did he do that?
[00:29:27] And is that why we saw prices what they were?
[00:29:31] Yeah.
[00:29:32] So, during Trump won, we were energy dominant.
[00:29:34] We had crushed the price of oil.
[00:29:35] The oil industry didn't like that too much.
[00:29:37] But we had crushed the price of oil.
[00:29:39] The United States was the marginal producer, meaning we were in charge of the global price of oil.
[00:29:44] As soon as Biden came in, you know, he announced all his anti-fossil fuel policies.
[00:29:49] Investors got scared.
[00:29:50] The United States, although we have all these oil reserves, they basically became non-existent.
[00:29:56] And all that put OPEC back in charge of the price of oil.
[00:30:00] And, you know, now that Donald Trump is coming back, all that's going to go away.
[00:30:04] We're going to be the marginal producer again.
[00:30:07] And we're going to be winning.
[00:30:08] We're going to be energy dominant.
[00:30:10] Steve Malloy, he is the senior legal fellow at the Energy and Environmental Legal Institute.
[00:30:16] And if you want to read this piece, it is at the New York Post.
[00:30:19] But I know you do other work.
[00:30:20] Do you got a site or anywhere else you want to direct people to go find more of what you're doing?
[00:30:24] I do most of what I do on X at Junk Science.
[00:30:28] Yes.
[00:30:28] That's probably where I read most of your work.
[00:30:31] But I may have a slight addiction to X or Twitter if you prefer.
[00:30:35] All right.
[00:30:36] Steve Malloy, great to talk with you, sir.
[00:30:37] Thanks so much.
[00:30:38] All right.
[00:30:38] Take care.
[00:30:39] That's Steve Malloy.
[00:30:40] Again, the name of this piece is called Trump Will Make America Energy Dominant with Frack Exec Cabinet Pick.
[00:30:47] And that cabinet pick is Liberty Energy CEO Chris Wright.
[00:30:51] All right.
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