Banning TikTok to hurt the ChiComs (03-13-2024--Hour1)

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[00:00:44] group. Good God almighty. Okay, hope everybody's having a good day. Let's talk TikTok, and you

[00:00:50] don't stop. Let's talk about it. The house today passed this TikTok band, and China is

[00:00:59] very upset. Bite dance is very upset. TikTok is very upset. All the children are very upset.

[00:01:03] Donald Trump is upset. There are some Republicans who are upset, but it was a, it was an overwhelmingly

[00:01:08] bipartisan vote in the house. Don't know what it's going to do in the Senate. It is aimed

[00:01:16] at curbing the influence of social media apps. In this case, really just one that are controlled

[00:01:22] by foreign adversaries. Okay, in case you did not know TikTok is owned by bite dance and bite

[00:01:31] dance. I don't know why it's called as B-Y-T-E, and then capital D-A-N-C-E. All one word,

[00:01:40] like two words, but they smushed them together. As they have so much synergy, they don't have

[00:01:46] time for a space in between the two words. Bite dance. As Brad Hargraves, a writer at ThesisDriven.com

[00:01:55] points out this is not a normal tech company driven by profit motives. Okay? This is a tool

[00:02:03] of a hostile foreign power. Right? So I think this is, I'm going to go over the pros and cons

[00:02:07] here. Okay? So like, if you're like, they shouldn't ban it. I will get to those positions

[00:02:12] too because I know this isn't very popular to say in today's political environment, but

[00:02:19] there are a lot of different angles and there are some nuance here. This is a tough,

[00:02:25] this is a tough issue. It doesn't break down clean and neat for everybody. So a couple things

[00:02:32] to keep in mind that bite dance, right? It is a Chinese company. It is part of the Communist

[00:02:40] Chinese party as all large corporations companies in China are. Okay? Hargraves says the fact

[00:02:49] that bite down and get this, the one of the propagandists or whatever for TikTok. Like

[00:03:00] I have a name of who? Zhijin. He says, I support TikTok's tough response, which was by the way

[00:03:07] to say like, well, shut it all down. Either it is bite dances TikTok or the US government might

[00:03:12] as well shut it down. But everybody, but we should ask the 170 million TikTok users in the United

[00:03:18] States first. Do they agree? So there was an attempt by TikTok. Like if you went to their app,

[00:03:23] you opened up the app the other day. They were putting a pop-up right there on the app when

[00:03:32] you opened it and as I do not have TikTok, I don't do the TikToking because it's owned by China

[00:03:39] and I'm not an idiot. So anyway, I don't use it. So I did not see this pop-up but I saw it described

[00:03:50] and that you couldn't get off of the page. You couldn't get past it unless you did something to like,

[00:03:55] you know, voice your support or register your support for TikTok or something like that.

[00:04:02] So they're trying to whip up the TikTok users against the legislation,

[00:04:06] against the lawmakers who are pushing it in order to kill the bill. But I also find this interesting

[00:04:13] bite dance says that if they can't own it, no one will. Okay, so wouldn't that be sort of the first

[00:04:23] indication that this is not a typical company? Let me think about this. If your company is profit

[00:04:31] driven and the government says, hey, you've got a foreign adversarial government that is in your

[00:04:40] corporate structure. They are dictating things to your management and they're scraping and harvesting

[00:04:46] data to use against Americans. And the risk is too great, so we're going to offer you a whole bunch

[00:04:52] of money or we're going to say someone else can offer you a whole bunch of money, right? You got

[00:04:57] to sell it because that's what the bill is doing. It's like you got to sell this thing

[00:05:02] to an American owned company or some other company and not an adversary,

[00:05:07] not a foreign adversary, right? Somebody who wants us to be annihilated should not have this kind

[00:05:16] of technology scraping all this information. This is the argument, right? So sell it to a country

[00:05:22] that's not a foreign adversary and rather than sell it off and make all that money,

[00:05:28] they're saying we'll rather shut it down. That's not a business. Those aren't business people

[00:05:36] making those decisions then, right? They have the ability to control the amplification or

[00:05:46] censorship of messages of their choosing and them being a foreign adversary raises questions about

[00:05:52] the types of messages that they would amplify or censor. Also, they are generating

[00:05:59] and scraping opposition research on an entire generation of Americans that they will then be

[00:06:07] able to use for decades to come against them, right? For me think about this. Anything that you did

[00:06:14] if you're a kid, you're using TikTok, you're making silly videos or whatever and then fast forward

[00:06:18] 20, 30 years and at that point, maybe all the deep fake technology is super advanced

[00:06:24] and now they can use this if you end up saying working in like the Pentagon. And now they've got a

[00:06:32] video of you deep faking or maybe you said something stupid, maybe you were wrapping along and

[00:06:37] said a word you weren't supposed to or something who knows the way the norms change as they do.

[00:06:43] 20, 30 years down the road, you're working in some sort of a sensitive government position

[00:06:47] and all of a sudden the commies come along and say, hey, we have these TikTok videos of you doing

[00:06:52] this. You know, I know everybody thought that it was fun to do the Macarena but turned out to be

[00:06:58] cultural appropriation and now we can get you fired for that. So you're going to go ahead and give

[00:07:03] us a whole bunch of government secrets. You see, that's that's the way this stuff gets used against

[00:07:09] you. Now you don't have to necessarily own TikTok in order to get access to videos obviously. But

[00:07:15] what if the person had deleted their account? Do you know that those accounts ever get deleted

[00:07:20] out of the communist Chinese servers? Do you know that? Would you assume that? I would not assume

[00:07:27] that. Then again, you know, your mileage may vary on your hesitancy to believe communists. Okay. I

[00:07:35] do not. Okay. My like my fundamental rule when it comes to the commies is they lie. Communists lie

[00:07:44] about everything. Marxists lie about everything. So I don't trust them when they say, oh, you want

[00:07:51] to delete your account? Sure it's deleted. Shuh- poof gone forever. Bull gone for never

[00:08:00] bydance is not a normal tech company and the fact that they would rather shut down TikTok

[00:08:06] than earn tens of billions of dollars from a sale gives up the game to me, to me.

[00:08:17] TikTok provides this is from Chris Fenton at the dragon feeder. He says TikTok provides

[00:08:22] Beijing inability to understand control and influence Americans well beyond simply

[00:08:29] simple Hollywood content. Remember, oh man, those are the days remember those days. I'm old

[00:08:34] enough to remember when people were very worried about Tom Cruise's patch of tie one. Remember,

[00:08:40] or the Hulk using the Chinese military to help him save the day or something. Like this is,

[00:08:45] was it the Hulk? I don't forget. Anyway, China has been using Hollywood to propagandaize to us

[00:08:52] in movies. Right? We've known this. Do you think they're not doing it on social media with

[00:08:58] the algorithms that oh, by the way, they control, they write and control? Do you think they're not

[00:09:03] doing it? The platform is much more damaging in how it shapes the opinions and perspectives of

[00:09:11] adults under the age of 30 than movies are. Okay, so these are the concerns. Okay, these are the

[00:09:18] concerns. Now, what are the concerns about the bill? Right? Why is this overreach? Why is this

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[00:10:35] News talk 11 10 99 3 WBT 7045 711 10 1 800 WBT 1110 congressman

[00:10:43] Yeah, okay. Sorry. Congressman Thomas Massey he opposed the tiktok band bill.

[00:10:55] He says that intentionally or unintentionally this legislation to ban tiktok is actually a

[00:11:03] Trojan horse and some of us are concerned that there are first amendment implications.

[00:11:07] Some of us just don't want the president picking which apps we can put on our phones or which websites

[00:11:12] we can visit. So here is I've not heard this yet he just made these comments though at the

[00:11:17] on the floor of the house. Let me see here to pull that up and then hit play from Kentucky is

[00:11:22] recognized. Oh, okay. Mr Speaker, I know the sponsors of this bill are sincere in their concerns

[00:11:28] and in their effort to protect Americans. They've described the tiktok application as a Trojan horse

[00:11:36] but there's some of us who feel that either intentionally or unintentionally this legislation

[00:11:42] to ban tiktok is actually a Trojan horse. Some of us are concerned that there are first amendment

[00:11:48] implications here. Americans have the right to view information. We don't need to be protected by

[00:11:54] the government from information. Some of us just don't want the president picking which apps we

[00:11:59] can put on our phones or which websites that we can visit. We don't think that's appropriate.

[00:12:05] We also think it's dangerous to give the president that kind of power to give him the power to decide

[00:12:10] what Americans can see on their phones and their computers. To give him that sort of discretion

[00:12:16] we also think is dangerous. Now people say that this tiktok ban will only apply to tiktok or maybe

[00:12:23] another company that pops up just like tiktok but the bill is written so broadly that the president

[00:12:30] could abuse that discretion and include other companies that aren't just social media companies

[00:12:36] and that aren't, you know, some people would believe controlled by foreign adversaries. Again,

[00:12:41] we're giving the president that discretion to decide whether it is controlled by foreign adversary.

[00:12:47] There were some people who were legitimately concerned that this was an overly broad bill

[00:12:54] and they got an exclusion written into the bill that I want to read. It says the term covered

[00:13:00] company does not include an entity that operates a website or application whose primary purpose is

[00:13:06] to allow users to post product reviews, business reviews or travel information and reviews.

[00:13:12] Why is this exception in the bill? Why did somebody feel like they needed this exception if the bill

[00:13:17] itself only covers social media applications that foreign adversaries are running? These and other

[00:13:25] questions we hope to answer in the course of this debate and I reserve the balance of my time.

[00:13:29] All right, so I don't think those questions were answered. This is what Thomas Sol talked about

[00:13:37] where there are trade-offs. Winners, losers, good, bad, no. They're just trade-offs.

[00:13:45] Government, when it writes legislation like this, they're going to miss things. They're not

[00:13:52] going to think of things and the unintended consequences are unknown sometimes for years.

[00:13:59] Sometimes immediately you find out, oh we messed up there. What Massey is talking about there

[00:14:06] is that the president determines whether or not these companies are owned by foreign adversaries.

[00:14:16] It shall be unlawful for an entity to distribute, maintain or update a foreign adversary

[00:14:24] controlled application by carrying out within the land or maritime borders of the United States.

[00:14:30] Any of the following, and it talks about various like marketplaces and internet hosting services

[00:14:37] and all that. They talk about how you got to have in order to check the box on a foreign adversary

[00:14:42] controlled company. You got to have, I think it's 20% or more ownership by a foreign adversary

[00:14:49] country. They're obviously trying to get at TikTok. They're trying to get at these social media

[00:14:59] or any kind of a media company that's predominantly owned by an enemy of ours that wants to

[00:15:06] propagandaize in America to us. They're trying to get at that issue. The problem is they write it

[00:15:17] too broadly, according to detractors, the opponents of this. They've written it too broadly

[00:15:21] that it could apply, they say to anybody and then what happens if the president determines

[00:15:26] that hey you know what? I think that the Russians are using Facebook so much that they're now a

[00:15:34] foreign adversary mouthpiece and we're going to shut that down, particularly that story that

[00:15:38] was against me. That there's a pathway to a lot of abuse here that gets opened up. That's

[00:15:46] the concern that the opponents to this bill have. Now I don't know if that's going to fly over in

[00:15:51] the Senate because right now Joe Biden is like you know tough on China, I'm tough on China

[00:15:58] because he has to be right. He's got to say that for political purposes during an election year.

[00:16:02] But also the kids they do love the TikTok. Wow, caught between a rock and a hard place there.

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[00:16:57] Email us Pete at thepeatcalinershow.com. I do have a message here from Stan. He says,

[00:17:04] Pete, all the politicians who are bringing up the possibility free of free speech violations on

[00:17:10] any bill are all disingenuous. Isn't the purpose of the FCC to decide what speech is allowed?

[00:17:17] Well over over the airwaves yeah, the FCC governs that that's true. So they're all afraid of

[00:17:24] the president having that power but not a collection of unelected bureaucrats. It's a good point.

[00:17:31] It's sort of like the old, old story, you know, madden we've already determined what you are

[00:17:37] now were just haggling over price. I am very aware and agreeable and sympathetic to

[00:17:47] the slippery slope argument when it comes to government interventions. Absolutely.

[00:17:54] And this is where I break ranks a lot of times with a lot of your capital L hard core libertarian

[00:18:02] types is that I do recognize on an international stage there are some really bad actors that require

[00:18:12] us to do things that we generally don't like to do. For example, we generally don't like to go

[00:18:19] murder people but when pressed we will do some murdering. Absolutely, we will murder some people,

[00:18:28] right? We will take out a bunch of people if we have to as a society if we think that they are

[00:18:34] about to murder us or actively planning to murder us, right? Or have murdered us. We do this stuff

[00:18:43] You're not supposed to do that stuff in your private life. We don't want government to go run

[00:18:47] around murdering us but on an international level, right? This is like the providing for the

[00:18:53] common defense. This gets back to quote limbaugh on this. The world is governed by the aggressive use

[00:18:59] of force. You may not like it. I may not like it but that is the way the world works. We can try to

[00:19:05] set up foundations based on speaking out our problems, talking it out through the U.N.,

[00:19:13] through diplomacy, writing rules and policy and all of that. We can try all of that stuff

[00:19:19] but sometimes it doesn't work and sometimes people just really, really want to hurt you.

[00:19:24] They want to take your stuff, they want to break your stuff, they want to murder you,

[00:19:29] take your land. So in those cases you need to fight back. You got to be able to fight back,

[00:19:35] you got to protect yourself. That's being able to say no to the demands of somebody else or

[00:19:42] some other country is predicated on you having the military might to enforce your position.

[00:19:51] Otherwise someone comes along and says give me all your lunch money and you say no and they just

[00:19:56] whip you and take your money. If you say no and they try to whip up on you and it turns out

[00:20:03] oh, you know, you know all of this self-defense and martial arts and such and you whip them,

[00:20:08] they're not going to get your lunch money. That's how that works.

[00:20:12] China's government has used the video sharing platform TikTok to influence recent US elections

[00:20:20] according to the American intelligence community in its annual threat assessment.

[00:20:25] This was delivered on Monday. The warning comes during an election year and as the House prepares

[00:20:30] to vote on legislation to force China's bite dance to divest from TikTok or else the platform will be

[00:20:35] banned from app stores in the United States. The year end report this year's report I should say

[00:20:43] stated the following, this is according to Axios. Quote TikTok accounts run by a Chinese propaganda

[00:20:51] arm reportedly targeted candidates from both political parties during the US midterm election cycle

[00:20:57] in 2022. It warned that China's government may attempt to influence the US elections in 2024 at

[00:21:05] some level because of its desire to sideline critics of China and magnify US societal divisions.

[00:21:13] Okay, you got two different tracks here that they are running on.

[00:21:17] Number one, create chaos and division inside of American society. And number two,

[00:21:23] try to censor any critics of China. And we know China does this. We know they do this.

[00:21:30] They've been doing it in TV shows and movies. Right? They don't allow all of our stuff in their country.

[00:21:35] Like to me, this would be the thing to do. Like to me, if you want to get around the free speech

[00:21:41] objections and all this, this would be what maybe a solution because you know me. I am all about

[00:21:46] solutions. If we can't sell our apps in your country, you can't sell them in ours. Fairs fair.

[00:21:56] Right? If you're going to ban Facebook and Twitter in China because you have filters that

[00:22:04] you want applied that screen out any kind of trash talking against Winnie the Pooh, your president,

[00:22:10] aka G, G, G, G, G, B. Right? I call them Winnie the Pooh because he hates it. So like he does. He hates it.

[00:22:18] He like he throws people in jail in China if they call them Winnie the Pooh online.

[00:22:23] Because he's very sensitive because he does kind of look like Winnie the Pooh. Anyway,

[00:22:26] they censor speech on platforms if you're even allowed to have those platforms operating in China.

[00:22:33] Usually they just steal all the technology and create their own platform that looks exactly like

[00:22:39] the one they just stole from us. Right? So if you're going to ban our products in your country,

[00:22:47] then you don't get to sell your product in our country. I think that's for the social media space,

[00:22:56] I think that's a fair trade. And if China wants access to this marketplace,

[00:23:03] then they need to provide access to their marketplace. See, that's free trade. That's actual free

[00:23:08] trade and these are not like infant industries as the founding fathers talked about protecting,

[00:23:15] you know, at the time if you have an infant industry that's just getting started in your country

[00:23:19] that's really important or whatever and you want to protect it for a little while but it's never

[00:23:23] meant to be permanent. This isn't even that. Right? This doesn't even fall under that exemption.

[00:23:28] This is a straight up free trade, fair trade argument.

[00:23:33] The report said that China monitors Chinese students that are studying here for their dissident

[00:23:39] views and has influenced research by US academics and think tank experts. Right, they've been

[00:23:45] flooding money into our universities. China's government denies that it interferes in elections

[00:23:51] and typically seeks to blame the US for election meddling but as I mentioned earlier,

[00:23:55] Kami's lie. So there you go. They absolutely are interfering in our elections because they're

[00:24:01] communist. Why wouldn't they? 704 570 1110 1 800 WBT 1110. The protecting Americans from foreign

[00:24:12] adversary control applications act or the P a F F a C a A was I like to call it the pfac.

[00:24:20] Anyway, it would give bite dance 165 days from whatever day gets enacted to divest TikTok in other

[00:24:29] words to sell it off or face a ban on US app stores and web hosting services.

[00:24:38] Rolling stone reports that lawmakers have long sought to place restrictions on TikTok using

[00:24:47] the app and its parent company bite dance accusing it of exploiting American user data on behalf

[00:24:54] of the Chinese government. Many Republicans often the fiercest critics of Chinese influence in

[00:24:59] the US chose to vote against the bill following opposition from Donald Trump. The former president

[00:25:04] unsuccessfully attempted to ban the app while in office, Trump has now done a 180 telling CNBC

[00:25:10] on Monday that while there's quote, a lot of good and a lot of bad with TikTok without TikTok,

[00:25:16] you can make Facebook bigger and I consider Facebook to be the enemy of the people along with a lot

[00:25:22] of the media. So this is another one of the arguments that if you ban TikTok, it goes away,

[00:25:29] then it makes Facebook more powerful because they've got what do they call there's reels?

[00:25:33] Is that what they call them? The reels yet. So not to be confused with the fields that people get

[00:25:39] all up in but the reels these are short little video clips and they just they pollute my time

[00:25:47] anyway. That's their concern that's Trump's concern and some Republicans concerned but also there's

[00:25:56] a fellow I mentioned this guy the other day Jeff yes conservative billionaire he prominent donor

[00:26:02] to the Republican club for growth, the club for growth has financed a lot of campaigns.

[00:26:09] I saw Dan Bishop he voted against the TikTok ban and he was he's been supported by the club for

[00:26:18] growth. I don't know if there's a connection. I'll ask him next time I see him or talk to him or

[00:26:22] whatever but there have been a lot of people that have been flipping their positions on TikTok

[00:26:29] and this bill after this conservative billionaire guy has been directing overtures to members of

[00:26:36] Congress in opposition to the legislation he recently met with trumpet Mar-a-Lago. Now Trump says

[00:26:42] they never talked about TikTok or anything but hmm go into dantalime just sure as previously reported

[00:26:50] by the Rolling Stone, Trump and some of his advisors may also feel that taking a soft approach to

[00:26:55] TikTok could boost his profile with young voters and that would put him in contrast with Joe Biden right

[00:27:02] because he could say to the youngsters he wants to take away your dance video apps I mean yes fine

[00:27:08] China's taking all this info from you but you get to watch people dance for you know little snippets

[00:27:13] so it's worth it right? Totally worth it. Trump failed to ban the app while in office in 2020

[00:27:22] he has spoken out against the latest effort and interviews and on his social media platform truth

[00:27:27] social which I don't know it's like seems like there would be some like if you if you could roll

[00:27:32] out some so why don't you buy TikTok? Oh Trump should buy TikTok. I bet every Democrat would then

[00:27:37] oppose the banning of TikTok. No give it back to the Chikoms. The former president has expressed

[00:27:46] concerns about how a TikTok band may benefit rivals social media platform Facebook which suspended the

[00:27:52] campaign in 2021 after spreading false claims about vote fraud ahead of the January to a 6th 2021

[00:27:58] riot his account was reinstated last year quote there's a lot of good and a lot of bad with TikTok

[00:28:04] and I already read that he said that on CNBC's squawk box which by the way same interview where

[00:28:08] he said he's not a conservative which I've been telling people that for years and I've had

[00:28:14] Trump supporters argue with me but now Trump finally said he's not a conservative so now everybody can

[00:28:21] believe him until he I guess says he is a conservative again. I don't know we'll see

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