Asheville councilmembers refuse Pledge of Allegiance (03-20-2024--Hour2)

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[00:00:27] your support. So I saw a couple of stories, came out of my previous stomping grounds out

[00:00:33] in the Asheville area, western North Carolina. And so I figured, hey, you know what? Let's

[00:00:40] talk to Mark Starling. He's the morning guy in Asheville, WWE and scene. He's got his,

[00:00:45] he's got a couple fingers well in different areas, but one of them I think is on the pulse

[00:00:49] of various people in Asheville. So we don't ever ask him about it because it's just,

[00:00:56] it's kind of gross. But so Mark, welcome to the program.

[00:01:01] Good to be back with you Pete. Yes, sir. So first off, I came across this piece at the

[00:01:06] AVL Watchdog website and I was not aware that this had been occurring that apparently

[00:01:13] there are a couple of Asheville City Council members that are not participating in the

[00:01:20] pledge of allegiance. Is that?

[00:01:22] Ah, yes, yes. Well, the leader of the anarchists and antifah and all those associated stormtroopers,

[00:01:32] Kim Roney would be one of them. And then straight into Shanieke Smith, who I was actually kind

[00:01:40] of shocked that she's kind of signed on to this, to be honest with you.

[00:01:44] Well, she has a very solid reason I thought when she gave the quote, she says quote, nor

[00:01:51] is there a specific reason I'm not pledging. I mean, who could argue really with that logic?

[00:01:57] Well, there's not a whole lot of logic that comes out of those chambers. I got to be honest

[00:02:03] that's fair. She said, I just decided it was really routineized, routineized. I've,

[00:02:10] it's a word I have never heard. She said it was routineized from my youth to do it without

[00:02:16] thought and in my adulthood, I'm pretty much like, why am I doing the pledge? And why do I pledge

[00:02:22] allegiance to a man construct? She meant to say like a human construct. She wasn't trying

[00:02:29] to assign gender. Oh my gosh, because that would be that would be the real offense.

[00:02:34] See, I here's what I here's what I think happened with this because I believe that this is

[00:02:40] a reaction to her views on a law enforcement situation where she came out and happened

[00:02:49] to be pro police in this particular situation. And that's pretty much when all hell broke loose

[00:02:55] with all of the advocates. So I believe this pivot is because of that, to be honest with

[00:03:03] you. So she's trying to placate the moonbat brigade base in the Democrat party in Asheville

[00:03:09] because they didn't like her position on a specific police interaction. Correct. Now Kim

[00:03:16] Roni, she's just a commie as I understand. I don't really know any other way to put it like

[00:03:25] he is hammer and sickle all the way right? Yeah, right. So because of the first thing I thought

[00:03:30] when I saw this story was okay, is it possible they're not doing the pledge because they both,

[00:03:35] they stand for the pledge as I understand it. They do stand. They just do not, yeah.

[00:03:40] They don't look at the flag. Right. They don't look at the flag. No hand over the heart. No

[00:03:45] recitation of the, of the, of the, the pledge. And so I almost wondered did they think about maybe,

[00:03:50] like they wanted to take a knee, but there was no national anthem playing to take the knee during

[00:03:55] and they would look weird if they took a knee sitting behind the dius, you wouldn't even see them.

[00:03:59] Right. I don't think there's enough room behind the dius for them to take a knee. I think that's

[00:04:03] probably in. I think that they would end up under the dius so they wouldn't be seen at all.

[00:04:08] Right. So they would just look absent. Right. They would look absent or you know what, they could

[00:04:12] maybe like have some puppets. They could put up their hands up, you know, over the, over the

[00:04:17] table they could do like some. You know, for those of us who have to indulge ourselves in their

[00:04:22] meetings, right? This would be much more entertaining. I believe. Yeah. So apparently they've been

[00:04:27] doing it for a while. They have no intention to resume saying the pledge of allegiance and I love

[00:04:31] the John Boyle, the columnist to wrote the piece he asks, is that a big deal anymore?

[00:04:37] I don't think in Asheville, it's a big deal. No, I mean, you know, in Asheville,

[00:04:43] it's everything anti-establishment, death to tourists and let's build another brewery.

[00:04:49] Yes. That's where we're at. That's the recipe. Speaking of homelessness and crime. So downtown

[00:04:57] Asheville, this story or this is an idea that has now made the rounds again. I saw this. This was

[00:05:02] the Asheville citizen times. The downtown association is now pushing once again for a bid,

[00:05:09] a business improvement district. Sometimes these are called tax income and finance districts,

[00:05:15] similar kind of mechanism. Charlotte's got a bunch of them where you have a property tax that's

[00:05:20] assessed on like a core business district and then whatever revenue is generated in that district

[00:05:25] is then used to fund improvements and operations in that downtown district. So it's a way to keep

[00:05:31] that money in the core business district and use it for things crazy ideas like, you know, police.

[00:05:39] Stuff like that. Right. So which I found this surprising that they were they were touting

[00:05:46] the success of the 60 day downtown safety initiative, which was last year. So for folks who aren't

[00:05:53] aware of how these things operate. Tell us about the Asheville idea of a 60 day safety initiative

[00:06:01] and how well it went. So this is actually I actually lived this firsthand. I moved from West

[00:06:09] Asheville to downtown because West Asheville became so intolerable. I had to get out of there.

[00:06:15] I moved into the downtown area and I moved kind of on in an area known as the South slope. So

[00:06:21] it's very south end of the downtown district. Right. So all the breweries are as opposed. Yeah.

[00:06:26] Lot of restaurants, a lot of tourism, a lot of foot traffic, a lot of concerts go on in that area as

[00:06:31] well at the music clubs and whatnot. And it had become prior to me moving down there, it had

[00:06:38] become really bad. I mean when you went downtown, there was garbage and trash thrown everywhere. There

[00:06:44] was needles everywhere. There was homeless people. Excuse me. Those suffering from houselessness. Right.

[00:06:49] I wouldn't want to offend anybody. Get it right. Get it right. But it was just it looked like

[00:06:58] Skid Row in the making, right? That's where we were. You had people shouting at clouds and

[00:07:04] hallucinating on the sides of the streets and it was quite the show. So they start this 60 day

[00:07:10] crime initiative which was this is a crazy concept but they put police back in downtown.

[00:07:17] Wait, that's it. That was it. That's all they had to do. It's a bold strategy. It's a it was a

[00:07:25] really, really far reach strategy. Something way cutting edge if you will. So they do this

[00:07:32] crime initiative and I'll be honest with you. I moved in to downtown on day one of it

[00:07:37] and it was a noticeable change within 14 days. Are you sure that's not because of your presence?

[00:07:46] I mean, you know, I always took the approach that since we were open carry. It was within my

[00:07:54] best interest to open carry. I generally didn't have any problem. All right. There's okay. So

[00:08:00] the most surprising element of this story to me was that Asheville and Buncombe County actually

[00:08:05] had any police officers to staff to send to downtown. That to me was the biggest like, hey,

[00:08:11] it's a great idea. You want to send you want to, you know, staff some police officers in downtown.

[00:08:17] But yeah, where do you get them? Well, you know, we did have officers in downtown and the problem

[00:08:22] was when the George Floyd thing happened and they decided to destroy Asheville and then of course

[00:08:28] run the police up a flagpole almost. We lost 39% of our police force in the span of about 35 days.

[00:08:36] And so we've not recovered. I think we've recovered about 10 to probably 10 to 12% of that and

[00:08:43] we're starting to get more back now. But the problem is is that it just left us hamstrung.

[00:08:48] And a lot of this was at the city council's request because they were all about defunding the police

[00:08:54] of becoming this progressive, you know, kind of mecca for people to look to. Right? Because they did

[00:09:00] the reparations thing not long after that which by the way they've failed miserably at that,

[00:09:06] they've gone through five or six different people as head of the reparations board and everybody

[00:09:11] keeps quitting. So, it was only in the whole right because if I remember correctly, the reparations

[00:09:17] thing was like they were just going to form like a blue ribbon commission or something to look into

[00:09:20] it. It wasn't even it wasn't even like they set money aside to do it, right? Well, no because

[00:09:25] they don't have any money. Right. So any money they spent was probably on the all electric buses that

[00:09:32] they bought that all are now broken down and the company is defunct so they can't get new parts for

[00:09:38] them. They can't fix them and they forgot to measure the buses and their five inches too long

[00:09:44] to navigate the downtown city streets. But other than that, other than that. Other than that, I mean

[00:09:49] right. I think we're just not going to know the park up here. Yeah. The key here is that they bought

[00:09:55] electric buses and therefore they care more than you do because that's it. It's true. Right. It's

[00:10:00] not to be confused with our $650,000 toilet that's being installed very soon in the downtown area.

[00:10:07] See that? You're going to have a new place to do all the drugs. Correct. And it has its graffiti

[00:10:13] proof so they won't be able to put their little designs and tags on there. I see that as a challenge.

[00:10:20] I see that. I think that's going to be taken as a challenge. I think at some point it will eventually

[00:10:24] break down and it will be covered in graffiti. Well, it's going to be quite the situation.

[00:10:29] Yeah. It's amazing what they're doing here and what they're not doing here. I think even more

[00:10:34] importantly, they're getting all the tax money. Right. They've got all the tax revenue coming in.

[00:10:39] The tax rates here are already ridiculous to where the highest in the state. It costs these small

[00:10:44] businesses a fortune. And what we're seeing is these small businesses are having to leave areas

[00:10:50] like Asheville and they're having to go to other places like cities like Wayneville. And you're

[00:10:55] starting to see areas like Wayneville and Hendersonville really start to have these bustling downtown

[00:10:59] areas because businesses can actually afford to operate there. Yeah. And they're not being

[00:11:04] nickeled and dime to death for public services that they're already paying taxes for.

[00:11:10] Well, as I prophesized, I said that was going to happen 10 years ago because you could see the

[00:11:16] writing on the wall. Hey, Mark Starling is the morning guy at WWNC and Asheville appreciate your

[00:11:20] time. Mark, thank you, sir. We'll see you in a week. You've got it. Take care. All right, man.

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[00:12:15] Yeah, the Asheville City Council, two of the members refusing to say the pledge of allegiance. Look,

[00:12:22] I'm old enough to remember where this would have been a national news story. If you add some

[00:12:27] elected officials in a town, the size of Asheville, which for people who aren't aware, it's about

[00:12:32] the same size as Rock Hill, except it has no Charlotte next door to it. It's about 90,000 or so people.

[00:12:41] So it's the size of Rock Hill and it is the Charlotte of the Western North Carolina area. It's

[00:12:46] the biggest city out there. And so a lot of people go to work in Asheville, it's the economic engine

[00:12:54] of the area and all that and they let you know every single budget season by the way.

[00:13:00] There have been a couple of members of the City Council over the years that have tried to do

[00:13:04] commuter taxes. It's one of the things I learned very quickly about

[00:13:11] Ashevilleans, like leaders, the government leaders. They are always interested in finding ways

[00:13:20] to hit up everybody around them for money. So that in every guard, they're very much like the people

[00:13:27] you see standing on the corners. But they're constantly trying to find ways to suck up money

[00:13:34] from their neighbors outside city limits. They tried to do it with the water system,

[00:13:40] selling them different, the selling them water for more expensive rates, differential water

[00:13:47] rates. To the point where they got into so much trouble that state lawmakers, all Democrats,

[00:13:51] this was all Democrat action, all D on D action here and the Democrats had to step in at the

[00:13:57] state level and they're like, okay, you gotta stop doing what you're doing. They passed laws against

[00:14:03] the city of Asheville from doing it. That they have been working under, they've been governing

[00:14:06] under for decades and they keep trying to get out from under these laws because they really,

[00:14:10] really, really, really want to just soak their neighbors. No pun intended. So they got Kim

[00:14:16] Roni and Shanika Smith say they're not going to stand for the pledge and now it makes sense.

[00:14:21] Listen to Mark's explanation was that Shanika Smith actually got sideways with some of her far

[00:14:28] left anti-file, larper base. And by the way, they are, I mean, it is an anti-file larper

[00:14:34] crowd out there. They're trusty farians a lot of times because you can't afford to live in Asheville

[00:14:42] unless you have a trust fund, right? I mean, that's how people they go out there. They dress up

[00:14:48] like anti-file. They dress up like hippies. They dress the parts and then they live in the West

[00:14:56] Asheville or the River Arts district. They live in these gritty kind of places and they engage in

[00:15:02] all of the drug activity and the graffiti. I'm sorry, art. Sorry, they call it art out there.

[00:15:10] But it makes sense if she got sideways with the larpers and that's why she's now not reciting

[00:15:15] the pledge. That's the way she's like, I'm really with you even though she got sideways over some sort

[00:15:20] of an Asheville police department incident because it was never the same after the Asheville police

[00:15:26] department broke up a bunch of water bottles during one of the George Floyd protests. It was never

[00:15:32] the same. That's when that's when the tide turned against APD and the larpers were out in full

[00:15:38] force and the city council caved and they started moving forward with defund because Asheville officers

[00:15:44] busted up some water bottles. Dark days, man, dark, dark days. The hardly new yield water bottles.

[00:15:54] I mean, there were little ones like the 12 ounce ones and some of them were frozen and we're being

[00:15:58] thrown at the cops heads. But none of that matters. None of that matters.

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[00:17:12] and is used under license. One of the city council members up in the city of Asheville,

[00:17:17] Kim Roni who she is sort of the leader of love resistance, which is weird because they're all

[00:17:24] Democrats up there. They're all there are it's like different shades of progressivism.

[00:17:31] So although there is like sort of a chamber adjacent which isn't even chamber like the

[00:17:39] actual chamber of commerce divested from the US chamber of commerce. I think it may have been over

[00:17:45] Obamacare. That's how long ago this was I don't recall but it was something like that where the

[00:17:51] US chamber came out and took a position on something that the leftists really hated and so

[00:17:57] the Asheville Chamber of Commerce separated itself from the US Chamber of Commerce.

[00:18:04] Anyway, so there are a couple that are like not full-throated haters of business because they

[00:18:12] know some friends who are you know, trust the farreens or really rich in some other way and they

[00:18:19] open up their own little shops and they sell crystals and stuff. And so like they don't want those

[00:18:23] businesses to go out of business there so they don't hate those business people. It's a lot of

[00:18:28] Republican business people that they don't they don't like. That's the idea there. Anyway,

[00:18:33] Kim Roni she does not she does not recite the pledge of allegiance. See she stands up and she puts

[00:18:41] her hands behind her back. She does not put her hand over her heart nor does she say the words.

[00:18:51] I'm sorry, that was Shunika Smith. She says she stands. She faces the flag during the pledge out of

[00:18:56] respect for those who do say it but she does not put her hand over her heart or say the words.

[00:19:01] During the pledge, Kim Roni stands with her hands behind her back looking ahead.

[00:19:07] She wears a mask during the meetings.

[00:19:12] You didn't see that one coming, did you?

[00:19:17] She wears a mask during the meetings and does not say the pledge. She give a statement.

[00:19:24] She gave a statement to the columnist John Boyle at the Asheville watchdog, John Boyle by the way

[00:19:29] was like 20 something year columnist at the Asheville Citizen Times newspaper. He's now writing at this

[00:19:37] sort of like a retirement home for old newspaper people. They all retired at Asheville with all of

[00:19:43] their, with all their, you know, pensions and stuff and politzers and then they all hooked up

[00:19:49] at like a dinner party or something and they all met and they're like, I have a politzer. You have

[00:19:52] a Pulitzer. Let's start AVL watchdog and they went after Madison Caughthorn anyway.

[00:20:00] She put out a statement to the organization to the website saying quote,

[00:20:05] just if you have a social justice bingo card, you might want to get it ready for this. Okay?

[00:20:12] All right. Quote.

[00:20:14] Appreciating diversity of representation, acknowledging my privilege and respecting the rights

[00:20:21] of individuals to peacefully participate in public meetings. I personally exercise the right not

[00:20:28] to pledge allegiance to the flag, but instead to invest in a hopeful prayer for wisdom,

[00:20:34] for peace and for the liberty and justice for all that isn't yet realized in our United States

[00:20:41] of America. Let's not be distracted from the important work ensuring housing, food security,

[00:20:47] health and public safety for the people of Asheville. So she,

[00:20:51] right, she says she prays.

[00:20:59] I know it. She's a, she's a charlatan.

[00:21:05] Crane. That sounds like that sounds awful close to Christian nationalism there.

[00:21:12] Shanika Smith, the other member who does not say the pledge says she's careful with her words,

[00:21:17] but often as a black woman, I feel unprotected by community and society. So that's one of the reasons

[00:21:24] why I began to just kind of pull back from associations and relationships, just how I'm affiliated

[00:21:31] with things and people and ideas. No, I don't believe they drug test city council members.

[00:21:42] Although I think they were thinking about it at some point. I got a message here from Greg

[00:21:47] to Pete at the Pete calendar show.com. Pete isn't Warren Haynes' brother on the town council in Asheville.

[00:21:56] Not any more Greg. So you are correct. Warren Haynes, one of the musicians,

[00:22:04] guitarist, right? For government mule, the band. His big habitat for humanity guy.

[00:22:11] They're from Asheville. His family are from Asheville and he does the big

[00:22:17] Christmas jam every year in Asheville, like the three day concert and all that. And Warren Haynes

[00:22:24] has a brother named Brian Haynes. Brian Haynes worked at the habitat for humanity restore.

[00:22:31] He was like an assistant manager there for like a decade or something and then they were going

[00:22:37] to implement a drug testing policy and he quit. He didn't quit because he was on drugs.

[00:22:47] He said he quit in solidarity with people who didn't want to get drug tested. He just felt it was

[00:22:55] an infringement on constitutional rights, not that he would fail the drug test which by the way,

[00:23:01] heads up never ask if you failed the drug test, right? If you were required to take a drug test

[00:23:06] and you take a drug test for like an employer or something, just don't ever go and ask if you

[00:23:11] passed because that's a sure sign to the employer that you're worried about it. Okay. So that being said

[00:23:18] he was like, it's not that I'm doing the drugs. It's that it's wrong for you to test me

[00:23:25] to see if I'm doing the drugs so I'm going to quit. So it was a principled position also at the same

[00:23:31] time. He successfully got Astral Police Department to stop checking people's backpacks that were

[00:23:39] walking around at festivals again completely unrelated to people transporting weed in the backpacks

[00:23:45] or anything like that. Not the same thing at all. So no, he's no longer on the the city council

[00:23:55] with him being such an amazing musician. I don't understand how he could be so bad at governing.

[00:23:59] Oh, wait. It's his brother who's good at the music. He's just related to him, right? Kind of like

[00:24:05] like Hunter Biden. Yeah. So Brian Haynes is no longer on the Asheville City Council. That was his

[00:24:14] last big deal but he was his rise to fame came during the whole social justice riots and such.

[00:24:21] The fiery but mostly peaceful riots.

[00:24:26] Shanika Smith was asked by the colonist if she could change the wording of the pledge would

[00:24:34] that make a difference to her? If you could rewrite the pledge of allegiance and what would you

[00:24:40] then you could say it like what would he say? And she says quote what I'm thinking right now

[00:24:45] is what will be most equitable and personal if we at that time of the pledge we can just stand

[00:24:52] and acknowledge almost a moment of silence so people can make their own pledge and their own

[00:24:58] reason why. I don't think we can find any one pledge that will satisfy all

[00:25:06] which is really, really weird. It shows you how far the Democrat party has drifted when

[00:25:10] not even a pledge written by a socialist can get their support. That's how far to the left.

[00:25:22] It's one of the most recognized rules of vocabulary which is you do not give yourself your own

[00:25:31] nickname. John points out this was obviously codified in the documentary Seinfeld

[00:25:39] where George Costanza was trying to create his own nickname and he wanted to be called T-bone

[00:25:45] but ended up getting the nickname Coco after Coco the gorilla.

[00:25:50] Right, there is the exception that proves the rule as Iki Foo points out on Twitter. It's a P-Dwee.

[00:25:58] Charlottes most beloved. That's true. John Hancock called himself Charlottes most beloved.

[00:26:04] Although I would point out he was saying it sarcastically so there is some wiggle room there like you

[00:26:13] were like oh yeah that's me. I'm whatever you know and like oh he's whatever and it sticks.

[00:26:20] Okay just for the record on nicknames.

[00:26:27] All right, so one of the other things that I have so in talk with Mark Starling earlier in

[00:26:31] the hour from Asheville. A couple things like you're seeing all of these towns that are surrounding

[00:26:37] Asheville they are now, they're they're they're boom in, they're growing. They got lots of business

[00:26:41] investment going on because people are fleeing downtown Asheville and so because Asheville had been

[00:26:47] sort of turned over to like the most insane elements of the local population. These are the people

[00:26:55] that are out there. If you've ever been to Asheville like right at the center of the town there's

[00:27:00] whether it used to be the Vance monument. It looked like the Washington Monuments,

[00:27:04] just like an obelisk, like a big you know post basically but they tore that down because it was

[00:27:09] named after the governor of North Carolina who came from Bunkham County, Zebulon Vance and Vance

[00:27:17] was the governor during the Civil War and so even though he didn't want to succeed at that matter

[00:27:22] he was the governor. So they had ticked that down and I suggested at the time that they just

[00:27:29] redesigned it a little bit and make it into like a huge hypodermic needle looking monument but

[00:27:33] they did not do that anyway well because I don't have any pull there you know I'm I'm not a leftist

[00:27:41] but I do know that they would always gather at that monument and they would always have the

[00:27:45] protests there if you go there on a Saturday or Sunday you're going to see like 12 to 13 people

[00:27:50] out there protesting something you know usually like round up or whatever and so they're going to be

[00:27:55] out there and I just noted that these people they tend to be like granola chomp and hippie people

[00:28:00] and I or so they present or they're like the antifa black block larper crowd. So I suggested hey

[00:28:07] you guys are using up a lot of cardboard with your signs having to recycle those things like throw them

[00:28:13] away and draw new signs all the time although maybe they keep them I don't know but I suggested

[00:28:20] when you tore down the vance monument just put up a very large whiteboard sorry dry a race board

[00:28:28] don't call it a whiteboard I said I'd be a whiteboard I don't know so you just call it a dry

[00:28:32] race board and then people could just change the messaging for whatever the protest is hour to hour

[00:28:40] so that's you know that's what downtown actual has become is like a really rampant homeless

[00:28:45] problem drug abuse all over the place you know people being accosted and assaulted and so the

[00:28:50] tourist are kind of like yeah that's a crazy about this anymore and I mean you get to see the drum

[00:28:56] circle once and that's that's good enough you know I've done it seeing it now I'm going to go back

[00:29:00] to my hotel and drink you know $14 martinis at the bar but uh so you got a lot of the towns around

[00:29:07] the area that are now benefiting as I predicted they would so if the city of astral would like to hire

[00:29:13] me as a consultant I have an idea about sashes for your downtown ambassadors that I think is a real

[00:29:19] winner all right that'll do it for this episode thank you so much for listening I could not do the show

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