Are all cultures equal? (07-31-2025--Hour1)

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They have come to our country for many reasons, but I suggest they must assimilate, adapt to the culture of the country they wish to live in. All right, So that's the beginning of her speech. I want to welcome to the program North Carolina State Senator Caleb Tedrose. He is a Democrat from Mecklenburg County, and welcome Senator. How are you good? Good? How are you? I'm doing all right. I'm doing all right. So you have a sub stack, I guess the newsletter or I guess is it like part of your your comms shop. I don't know. Is it something that you write on regularly? Yeah? Yeah, okay, I have about a weekly update that goes out. Gotcha, okay. So you posted essentially a response. It was titled we built this too. No culture is less then, and it begins by quoting Representative Cunningham, one of your colleagues there in that floor speech when she said all cultures are not equal, and you said in the in the newsletter on substact that I want to be very clear that kind of thinking has no place in North Carolina. So, I guess at a at a higher philosophical level, I'm just kind of interested in the in the understanding the frame of mind, do you. So, I guess I should start with asking do you think that every culture is equal? Or can we yeah, can we judge by some objective criteria that some cultures are better or worse than than others. Yeah. I mean, it's funny we're bringing in philosophy or pistemology here, but at the base of it is context. In the context of the discussion, I found out her words about culture are incorrect. And now if we want to bring into philosophical views, I mean, sure that there are cultures may three four hundred years ago that I didn't necessarily agree. There may be some ideals about a specific society, more so about their socioeconomic backgrounds and their ideas that I don't necessarily agree about, but that's not necessarily the case that we're talking about on the Senate floor. And I just find a lot of the arguments that I've been hearing are just kind of red herrings here. The idea is that there's a specific bill that's essentially stereotyping a lot of the immigrants coming into this country, and any notions about culture not necessarily being equal or some not being or shouldn't be respected as others are incorrect in the context of our discussion. Well, what did the bill do to stereotype. Her comments? Oh, her comments stereotype I got you? Sorry? So all right, So we do acknowledge, and so we agree that there are aspects in all societies and all cultures where we might look at them and say, from our perspective, that is not that is not something we wish to do, because that is not good in our understanding of what good is right In some cultures, you know, women don't have equality under the law, for example, and I think we would both agree like that that's not a that culture would not be superior to ours where we do recognize equal rights for women, Like. Certain cultures, like you know, certain societies that value rich people and taking resources from the lower middle class and giving it to the ridge. Those are things I would say that we don't necessarily agree about. So one hundred percent, Yeah, there are ideas that a group of people can have that we don't have to agree with for sure. Right. So in the so you said that she was stereotyping people in her comments. So what what did she say. That's any context of the bill precisely right? What did she say? Because I've listened to the floor speech a couple of times, and I don't know if I heard anything that was stereotypical. What did I miss? That there is a bill on the floor right now, looking to give what I think are additional unconstitutional powers for our local authorities to continue to work with ICE. And there's been a giant stereo type of the type of folks that have been picked up and essentially kidnapped out of this country. And so, I mean, you have certain comments about, like these are violent criminals when we've seen that only about eight percent of the folks picked up from ICE have committed any kind of violent to crime. And so, yeah, what I'm pointing out is to the logical fallacies that she has provided to justify her vote on that specific bill. Now, like people are sort of acting like there's no context here. Her comments were about a specific bill. Not within the past five hundred years of human history has there been unequal college cultures that existed. Right, Well, I thought she was talking largely about the illegal immigration issue. Sure, yeah, right, So and do we agree that there is a difference between legal and illegal immigration when it comes to this kind of enforcement. Yeah, exactly, yes, right, okay, so yeah, go ahead. No, yeah, So if she's what she it sounded to me like she was arguing that illegal immigration is not being enforced and there is a push inside I guess your party that conflates the legal with the illegal and then gets the party to prioritize all illegal alien illegal immigrant issues to the detriment or at the expense of issues that she thinks should be more front and center. That's what I got from it. A very generous interpretation, But there seems to be some substance in currently what you're saying. Yes, there should be a broader conversation about especially the laws that we have in this country, the treatment of both legal and illegal immigrants one hundred percent, but coma she continues to talk about something like culture being as the specific reason why we have some of these laws and these inequities inadequacies, And so that's what I disagree with everything you just said. I'm not sure if I have a disagreement about that. There needs to be additional laws, there needs to be more clarity over the laws. There needs to be an even distinguished between those who are migrating here within the legal bounds of the US system and without but bringing in culture. And I'm sure we've taken a philosophical view of this. I'm sure you've seen historically what sort of arguments that people have made in justifying certain actions and saying that this culture is inherently better than others. Well, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I understand that. And when you said that this way of thinking has no place in North Carolina, it sounded like almost like you're making the same argument that you're objecting to, namely, that a culture that views all cultures as equal, that that is superior to one that sees itself as better than others. Right, Like you're advocating that, like we have a culture that like we don't see anybody better than us, and we're not better than anyone else, and that way of thinking doesn't belong here. Well, like that that is an example of the thing that it sounded like you were objecting to. Now, No, it's merely pointing out that the expansion of not only America, but even North Carolina has been the fact that people have different backgrounds and come from different locations and that have come into the state to progress, economic development, et cetera, etc. It's in that differentiation that makes our ideas of pursuing certain values a plus, and her making comments about specific cultures not being on the same part as others was anti setical to that idea. But again, the statement is in context of the actual bill that we're discussing. We're sort of it's a two minute speech and we're creating thesiss out of her comments. At the end of the day, it's a bill that didn't necessarily make sense and a justification that didn't make sense as well, And I'm merely calling out the whole package. Right, So, no, I understand. Like I said, we played her entire speech the day she made it on the show, and I went back and listened to it again. And you said in your piece that this country strength has always come from the mix, the clash, and the blend of cultures, histories and ideas that form something bigger than any one of us. And I agree, But I kind of feel like that's what she said also, that immigrants should assimilate to the culture that exists in the nation to which they immigrate, Like there's a reason why people want to come to this country, and it is not to as she said, you know, isolate, you know, function in isolation, refused to adapt. Right, What that was the context that I gathered from her comments. What do you say to the assimilation point. Yeah, but the assimilation piece, like you the question of Hanly, can you make an argument that what she is saying sounds like a plus. Sure, I can make that argument, but it has to be viewed within the context of her comic. And so when you're taking bits and pieces in a sentence and you're saying, judge this sentence on its own, do you think it's fair or not? Sure? You can make the argument on either side. But what I'm trying to say is that statement about assimilation was in a broader statement that she made, which included words and phrases that I disagreed with, against an actual bill that I also disagreed with. All Right, well, I guess we're gonna yeah, but no, And I know you have said that you're viewing it in this context, but I have not heard what that context is that I'm supposed to be viewing this. Through that it's a bill. No, I understand the bill, but she's said but what she is arguing, what she argued for, is why she's supporting the bill. And she's talking about the illegal immigration problem, the failure to adapt and assimilate. There's, you know, the record breaking numbers of people that have come in she's seeing in her district and you may have seen the same, like self isolation of these these different communities that come from all over the world. It sounded like that's what she was saying, But you're saying there's some other context to her comments, and I don't know what the other as you called it, stereo context. Yeah, it's not even necessarily context. Right now. You just repeated the same question essentially four or five times and skipped the entire part that she mentioned culture. You went straight to the assimilation and justifying it for why she supports the bill. You haven't even mentioned the culture part. I keep having to read bring that up here. I started with the culture part. That was the first thing I. Asked you questions we are about a simulation. So I'm trying to tell you is that you're also missing part of the context in your question. The culture is the context. The question I asked you was I asked if you think every culture. I asked you if every culture is equal? And then we agreed that no, there are different aspects to different cultures that we would not consider to be better than ours. And so I took that as a point of agreement that that's what we all agreed we were talking about exactly. So if we agreed to it, and then you're supposed to use it in your question as well, said, all she was trying to say is dot dot dot, and that did not repeat the part about the culture, the part that I disagree with, and in addition, we seem to have agreed with it on a philosophical basis, that there can be serre and outliers and cultures that we don't agree with. They're in existence, yes, but in the context of how she was speaking, I would disagree with that. I don't know if we agree with it to that extent, right, Well, she brought it up in the questions as well. Well. I mentioned the culture that some cultures don't view women as equal under the law. I mean, we can talk about honor killings, days being murdered, child marriage, female genital mutilation. That's no. No, you know you wanted me to talk about the cultural thing. So I'm giving you different examples of the things that we would not we would not appreciate as our culture. The cultural thing in context of life, yes, which is what we're talking about, because we're talking about a bill. She didn't go and write a thesis on culture here. No, I think that argument is more appropriate for what she's talking about is a specific line within culture in the context of a speech that has to do with a bill that was up for debate. And so when you're saying that there are cultures in existence, what we're talking about is in the context that she brought up. Yeah, I feel like we're just going in circles on this because I haven't gotten any real specifics on what it is that you think she said that was so objectionable, just her mention of the word that she said that the old cultures aren't equal. But I explained to you what cultures had to do with the definition of North Carolina, how we've progressed. You didn't necessarily agree with that response. But I answer your question, all right. Well, I've already kept you longer then I asked you to. You're free to stick around if you'd like to continue and try to flesh this out. I'm happy to hold you over through the break if you want. But I know I've already taken up a lot of your time. It's totally your faultlease refract. I'm more than happy to jump that call. Okay, all right. Caleb Tedros, Senator from Mecklenburg County District forty one, right, district forty one. Yeah, okay, all right, well, thank you for your time, sir, I appreciate it. All right, all right, take care. It's Senator Caleb Teddras. Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of Ashville is your connection. 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Call or text eight two eight, three six seven seventy sixty eight or check out all there is to offer at Cabins of Aashville dot com and make memories that'll last a lifetime. I hope his legislative assistant doesn't get fired for booking that interview with me. Now, I'd like I was curious to get at like the meaning behind the statements that he wrote. He had I'll read his entire That was, by the way, that wasn't a caller. That was State Senator Caleb Tedros, Democrat, District forty one, Mecklamurg County. And he wrote on the House floor Representative Carla Cunningham said, quote all cultures are not equal end quote. And that is the only quote, by the way of Cunningham's speech that he used in this post. So he was saying I was missing context, But I've listened to her speech multiple times I've pulled the audio clips and like I was somehow missing all of the context. But I actually quoted her, played her SoundBite, listened to what she was saying, developed questions and what is she like? What is she saying, and what is the idea behind these thoughts. That's how I constructed my interview questions to try to get at that higher level thing. Because he said all cultures are he quoted her saying all cultures are not equal, and he says, I want to be very clear, that kind of thinking has no place in North Carolina. Well, so now there's what that there is a is there a cultural norm that says you're not allowed to say all cultures are not equal? You're saying that has no place here. That's a you know, that is laying down a that's laying down a standard, setting a standard that everybody should adopt. Right that we all should we all should agree that that kind of thinking has no place in North Carolina. But that would also be a cultural standard then, and that would be better. I would assume in Senator Ted Rose's thinking that that would be better than a culture that does allow that thinking, which would then undermine the argument that all cultures are equal. But he that's why I started off asking him that, and he said, no, he would recognize that that they're not. Well, that's not what he wrote the thing about, that's not what he wrote this piece about. Mix says that Gentleman was a perfect example of a politician who spoke a lot of words and absolutely nothing. Yeah, no, I was. I admit I was a bit confused trying to understand what it was that he was, what he was trying to say, because everything just kind of got lumped into culture or context response and there wasn't any there's no meat on the bones, so to speak. Now, I did pull his bio. He studied economics and political science, and so maybe that's part of the disconnect. I studied brought mass communication, political science, and philosophy. So maybe that's maybe that's why we were kind of talking past each other. I don't know. All right, if you're listening to this show, you know I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, and I know you do too, And you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why, Well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've been so impressed with ground News. It's an app, and it's a website, and it combines news from around the world in one place so you can compare coverage and verify information. You could check it out at check ground dot news slash pete. I put the link in the podcast description too. I started using ground News a few months ago and more recently chose to work with them as an affiliate because it lets me see clearly how stories get covered and by whom. The blind spot feature shows you which stories get ignored by the left and the right. See for yourself. Check dot ground dot news slash pete. Subscribe through that link and you'll get fifteen percent off any subscription. I use the Vantage plan to get unlimited access to every feature. Your subscription then not only helps my podcast, but it also supports ground News as they make the media landscape more transparent. Let's go to the phones and chat with Jerry. Hello, Jerry, Hey Pte. I I wanted to tell you, Uh, I feel a little dumber listening to that guy, and I just want to ask a favor. Stop putting the Democrats on the radio. Oh, those people have no I idea what they're talking about. They beat the Bush, around the around the whole context of the situation. I'm just tired of the Democrats. Peete, Well, look you got you don't If you don't know your opponent's argument, then you really don't know your own either. And that's why I read and I listened to people who disagree with me, and that's why I was trying to have a conversation with him about what specifically he was arguing for in this piece, because he quoted his Democrat colleague as saying all cultures are not equal, and he says that kind of thinking has no place in North Carolina, which would indicate that he thinks all all cultures are equal. But then he immediately said that no, they're you know, the different cultures. No, it's not, that's not really the case. So it sort of undermined the whole point of what he had what he wrote at his substack piece, and they are Yeah, look, I've never spoken to him, I've never seen any interviews with him on anything, So I just I went into it with good faith just to ask him, like, you know, why why are you making this argument. Let's let's talk about this this argument, and. Well, look, I don't want you to think I think it's your fault. You're awesome. Well I booked you show, thank you, Jerry. But I did book him. It is kind of my fault I did. I did book him on the show. So yeah, man, I appreciate the yes, sir, take care. Let's see. Let me go to the text line driven my liberty bo GMC. Our country, this is from Derek. Our country used to be a melting pot. People came here and dissimilated to the country, all learned the language and work together and build communities. Are well, not all there. I know there are people that that immigranted, like they never learned English. They were you know, the grandparents or something, and they never learned English, but they made sure their kids did. And by the way, Senator tedros is the son of immigrants. They fled a war zone and they came to America and so like and so. But he was you know, born and raised here, I believe. So. Anyway, back to Derek's text line message, our country is now a tossed salad where everything is an individual piece and they don't melt together and they don't work together. This is just from an anonymous who is this contextual cultural more Okay, that's make him stop. Jane says, not very smart. That guy is a senator, sounded more like a DEI agent. Another Texter says, I have no idea what question the senator actually answered? That's from Liz. I already turned him off twice. All the traffic lights are out in Indian Trail on Highway seventy four at Indian Trail Road, So heads up on that. You can you can send a text right our traffic. Oh, it's down. Never mind, never mind, that gentleman was a perfect example of a politician. Oh, I read that one from Mick already spoke a lot and said absolutely nothing. Context context, context quote. Gray says, good lord, what the heck just happened with that call? No, it was an interview, Like I said, I read his piece. It was blasted out from his his legislative assistant and said, if you would like to speak with him about this piece, let us know, and I said I would. I read the piece and I said I would like to speak with you about the peace, and they agreed. So Kevin says, I bet he would have understood what I bet we would have understood what he was trying to say if only he had a beard. Uh, he does have a beard. I don't know. Maybe that's a flaw in the strategy that they're gonna get, you know, grow facial here and that's gonna that was one of the tactics that the Democrats are exploring. Pete, referring to the North Carolina senator from Mecklelberg County. I did not think this was possible. But word Salagarry, his word Salagary is worse than cackle and kamalos. That is from Chris and that's what democrats do and turns it all around. Hm. Okay, And here's the story that the NPR story was talking about the magic bullet to help Democrats win. What do beards tell us about power politics and how we see each other? It was on one a to Pete love the fact that the state senator thinks he knows what State Senator Carla Cunningham was implying while she voted to override Josh Stein's veto she didn't fall in lockstep with the Democrats. So good for her speaking her own mind and not being a sheep. Why didn't he stick around for another segment? Could it be that he didn't realize you do your homework. I loved the show. Thanks for what you do to make the day, gaining more knowledge, getting labs and very entertaining. Well, thank you. I appreciate that this way of thinking should not be allowed in North Carolina. Let the Democrats keep doing what they're doing. It's the gift that keeps on giving. Yeah. See, that's the thing you got to keep in mind here. I have an incentive show prep rob from Charlotte. Are you sure that wasn't Tony, No, it was not. I booked it. No, Like I said, I read his piece was It was titled we built this too, No culture is less than and he started with this quote of Carla Cunningham when she said all cultures are not equal. I played the sound bite so you get the fo context of the of her statement, and she said specifically was she followed that up with groups of people coming here and not assimilating, not adapting to their new homeland. Right, And that's what she talked about. Now, I don't know if she meant something else, Like, I'm not divining a motivation or motive in any of her statements. I'm just listening to what she is saying. And that's why when he said she was stereotyping, Like, I didn't hear any of that. I mean, like, I feel like I'm pretty good at listening to politicians talk and then sussing out, you know, stereotyping and that sort of thing. I do it. I've been doing it for like thirty years, so I kind of feel like I know what I'm doing on that. But I didn't hear her say anything about stereotypes. She never mentioned any specific stereotypes, and so I don't That's what I was asking about. And the reason this is important real quick I will tell you is that she is now being rebuked by her fellow Democrats after that speech, and Tedros is one of them. You know, stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of our past while transcending generations. They help us process the meaning of life, and our stories are told through images and videos. Preserve your stories with Creative Video started in nineteen ninety seven and Minhill, North Carolina. It was the first company to provide this valuable service, converting images, photos and videos into high quality produced slide shows, videos, and albums. The trusted, talented and dedicated team at Creative Video will go over all of the details with you to create a perfect project. Satisfaction guaranteed. Drop them off in person or mail them. 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Spoken descendant of slaves, Carla Cunningham, she at least made sense, and then John says, is it possible that the senator heard a dog whistle and was all hyped up and couldn't make a coherent point. That's it might be a too. Look. The reason I asked him about culture was because the title of his newsletter was we built this to No culture is less than So I asked him, is that like defend that? Basically because I think there are cultures that are that are not as good as other cultures. So not that every culture doesn't have problems, but there are some that I would check a box and say, yeah, I think we're better than that. Donald, Welcome to the show. Donald, Hello, Pete. You know, listen to your program. I'm really devel I get a lot of satisfaction. Well, thank you, And you were certainly you were certainly zoned in to what the conversation should have been about, and he was nebulous. It didn't seem to have any concept. You know, some people like to just argue, well, he is. A political science made and as one who study that too, that is, you eventually realize that they do just like to argue. Yes, right, well, and you're pollisci and I likewise will pollysci but you know, get to get to the point and make it and defend it, and he cannot do it. So yeah, anyway, thank. You, Peter. Yeah, Donald, I appreciate the call, sir. Good to hear from you. I appreciate the kind words, you know. I was just trying to Yeah, I was just asking him about what he wrote. He went on to say, to claim that some cultures are simply less than is not just divisive, it's dangerous, and I would I mean, yes, taken to an extreme, sure, but it's not dangerous. It's not divisive to say, Okay, you have a cultural norm from where you come and we don't accept that cultural norm. There's a big deal like in France for example, where it's a staunchly secular nation, right, and they had the fight with their with the Muslim population that was coming in and they were like, we want to wear the head coverings and the you know, the burkas and stuff for our driver's license photos, and like, no, you can't do that, Like that's our cultural norm. You don't get to do that because we value this thing. Now, if you don't like that value, then okay, but you don't have to be here. You know, and he goes on to say it reveals a breathtaking misunderstanding of what actually makes America work. These aren't throwaway words. They insult immigrants. Again, I did not hear any insults from Carla Cunningham about immigrants. She was talking about illegal immigration and the inability to assimilate that many people, and there are there are groups of people. There are illegal immigrants, maybe legal immigrants as well, that come in and they do not choose to assimilate. In fact, I just saw a story this morning of a guy who has been here for twenty years illegally, and his wife said that he refused to ever try to seek asylum or anything like that because he didn't because of pride. That's what he said, pride in his homeland. So okay, well now you're going to go back there, so you know, those are those are decisions people make. He says. These words insult black families. They insult every community that's fought to be seen, heard, and respected. I'm both a proud Black American and the child of immigrants. I know how powerful it is when different identities co exist in one person and in one country. Our communities don't move forward by ranking whose culture deserves more dignity. She never said that either. See, this is what I like, he said. At one point I think there that he was like a saying, I'm only taking one sentence or something, and it's like, but you're just you're responding to stuff that she never said. You're almost like quoting her and she never said these things. And then that's when he said, Oh, it's the context of it, the context of the bill. But the bill doesn't do that either. It just says sheriffs have to cooperate fully with ice. So yeah, so I guess I was confused and reading the piece, and now I'm even more confused after listening to the explanations. I don't know. We move forward, he says, when we recognize that every culture brings something to the table. Sure, no, that's fine, you get every Yeah. Look, I grew up in New York. I am very aware of multiculturalism and the different groups of people. I mean, New York is a city of immigrants, so very aware of this. Like it. I'm totally fine with it. I'm for legal immigration. I want a lot of legal immigration, but I want the people to be vetted so that they're not going to become wards of the state, and that they actually are coming here to participate in the American project because they agree with the idea of what America is. Well, Carla Cunningham is now getting a bunch of flack from her fellow Democrats. They've been attacking her. Democrats in the Senate slammed her comments. The Senate leader Sidney Batch called her remarks ridiculous and absolutely uncalled for the very fact that you would say that not all people or not all immigrants are equal. No, she said cultures. She didn't say all immigrants, and in fact she never even said illegal immigrants or legal immigrants. Once again, you guys keep conflating these two population sets, and they are different. She says, it's contrary to how this country was formed. This country was formed because of Native Americans, blacks and were enslaved and immigrants, including every single person that was here other than Native Americans. And so to say that we are not equal goes and flies in the face of anything that a Democrat believes and holds near and dear. I don't know why she said it. I don't know what's going on with her what she said. That's Sydney Batch that's the leader of the Democrats in the Senate. She did not say people aren't equal. She never said that. She was talking about cultural norms, people bringing things. Do you remember there was the big brawl among Eritreans. They bring their sectarian histories with them here and then they act out here on those histories, and so that's part of this equation as well. All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 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