Anything goes to "save Democracy ™ " (08-14-2024--Hour2)

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[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go over to the phone lines and let's talk with Tony. Welcome to the show Tony. How are you?

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm good. How are you doing? Hey, I am alright, sir

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm just surprised that she has the going on about the way you're going on hang Tony hang on

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Are you on a speakerphone right now or something?

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm on my head that I drive truck. Oh a headset

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, can you get is there a microphone that you can I don't know move a little bit closer to your mouth or something?

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Cuz it's we're getting a lot of the road noise. I think

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, hold on just a second. Can you hear me better now? Yeah, that's better

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah, you know what surprises me is that

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_02]: The WBT is the station. Yeah, and it's personalities

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Are awesome

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Unknown fellas

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Are what we're known felons. I know a known fellow. Yeah, you guys

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I would never imagine WBT. I listen to you guys alone

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I would never imagine them back in a political opponent. That's a fella

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the first time in history. I believe no

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Man that is a

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a deep cut you're laying in there, man

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I haven't heard that one from the the sycophants on the left. That's a whoo

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Really hurts. No, no, I'm not from the left. I'm central. Yeah. Yeah. I'm yeah, I know I've heard your I've heard your rap

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But but check it out

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: America's about to make history with this presidential election, you know, it's not gonna be Trump

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry to let you guys know that but believe me America is about to make history with the first woman president of the United States ever

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is what this is what it's gonna cost. I'm so excited really

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mean, I don't know if you guys feel like you're rhetoric is fooling people, but it's really not, you know

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Donald Trump is not gonna win this election man. I hate to spoil the tea

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the case. All right, so a couple things number one. Can I get the winning lottery numbers?

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: 12 28

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_02]: 25

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: 28 35 52

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_01]: 62 62 okay, I think you need it. Yeah, I think you need like

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, only and the powerball number is 18 18. Okay 12 28 35 62 powerball is 18

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right. I think you think you're missing a number. I think you got it. I think there are six numbers

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You gave me four that was five numbers now you gave me four with the powerball

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so one more be 23 there you go

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_01]: 23 I kind of feel like you don't know what the future numbers are gonna be here Tony

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't even play powerball

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait a minute though. Hang on a second if you want me to believe that your prediction about who's gonna win the election is true

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of feel like I need to I need to get some falsifiable

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Proof, you know, like I need to I need to have some sort of a test to find out whether or not your prayer whether your prediction is

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: True or not and whether we can believe your prediction. Oh

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_01]: If you can tell the future why why can't you tell me the powerball numbers?

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I could tell you this that and I will and I'll give you a call back to January 20 25

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Donald Trump will not be the president. You just say now. You're just saying the same thing

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You just said that's a what what your what you're doing is just speculating and that has very little value Tony

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Very little value to me. I mean maybe some people like to make the predictions

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't a lot of people been sent to prison on speculation. So hey, I don't know about that a lot of people what

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Have been sent to prison based on speculation. So I don't know about that

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So do you think that maybe people have been convicted base? You're saying people have been convicted based on speculation. Oh

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, convicted based on speculation and into wow well, so maybe

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so if I were to agree with you would that explain

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Support for a convicted felon running for office

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_01]: No, my oh is that different. That's a different kind of conviction I guess right? That's it's different because of who the convict is

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you think you think Donald Trump is innocent. I didn't say he was I'm just I'm I'm asking whether or not if if that's if

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the standard that you're laying out that people have been wrongly convicted

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Then maybe people believe Donald Trump has been wrongly convicted. Is that not a fair?

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Standard to apply because why not how come you get to use the standard and other people don't get to use the standard

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Donald Trump is a so-called billionaire

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So speculation is not gonna work because he has the attorney always and that a convenient escape hatch

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's just a true. No, it's not no, it's not because no because you're ignoring all of the other factors involved

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_01]: See, so you what do you mean? What are those all of the other fact?

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Might so do you think there might have been I don't know some sort of a political

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Angle to prosecuting Donald Trump Wow

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Cuz it's a cuz it's a political thing. No, no, no, I know Tony. I asked Tony Tony

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Tony kindly reserve your argument to responding to the things I have said, okay

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So I asked whether or not there might be a political angle political motivation

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_01]: to

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: The to the charges

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you can I answer that? That's why I asked you do you think that that might be possible

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Listen, listen, I don't care what day of the week it is. That's politics and everything in America

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So yes, okay, so the answer is yes, so the answer is

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Politics is like salt. It's all it's in it's in everything we do

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so just say yes like all of this is unnecessary Tony you're wasting valuable on airtime here

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so when I asked the question of do you think that there might be some political angle at play that maybe

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody in the process might have been engaged in some kind of political animus then the answer is yes. Oh

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_02]: My god that that that question can be for anything

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Why why is this so uncomfortable for you to answer just with yes when you just laid out a yes answer

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But you don't want it's like you don't want to give an inch here in order to move the conversation along

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'm not trying to trap you. I'm just asking you

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think what do you think the trap is well, well then what do you think the trap is oh?

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, the trap is once I say okay. Yeah, it was some politics involved in that

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: His convictions or what have you then you're gonna be like oh gotcha. No, that's not a case

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_01]: That's not it. That's not a trap. No that that that that's no, I'm asking what the trap is

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_01]: All I had all I had asked you Tony was whether or not you thought there may be politics

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Involved in that process and you said it's involved in everything and so therefore so therefore the answer is yes

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So you're acknowledging that there could be some politics involved

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And what I was then going to say was simply that that's why some people that share your opinion

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Would believe that this was a politically motivated

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Prosecution the one up in Manhattan right that's the only point

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying that that was the case or was not the case

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm simply suggesting that you dismissing all of those concerns that people had would be flying in the face of your

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Stated belief that politics is involved so all I'm trying to do here Tony and all I ever try to do is apply a

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_01]: consistent standard right I'm trying to apply a consistent

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Standard

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Did he break the law that's the question did he break okay?

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It could have been politics that brought it on but did he break the law that's a question. Yeah, I don't believe he did

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Not based on the law leave he did no not based on no not based on my reading of the law and the legal experts that I

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Read through their analysis at the time

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you read a thoughtful so all these people are the justice department against them correct

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_01]: That would you say it I believe that to be true too. Yeah

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're going out to him because they don't want him to be president right? Yes, I believe that I believe that to be true

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_01]: To yes

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well, I'll tell you what the voters will show you who they want to be again

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that doesn't okay, Tony. That's a non sequitur. That means it doesn't follow your your speculation about what voters will decide

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Does is not responsive to my opinion about whether the DOJ has it in for Donald Trump

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Matter your opinion doesn't matter the voters vote matter. I'm a voter

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_01]: What are you talking about? I'm a voter I get to vote so you're saying on the one hand that I don't matter and on the other hand

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I do it doesn't make any sense

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_01]: My opinion is registered by my vote just as yours is

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right. I agree with that. I agree with that. Oh my gosh matter in that in that board

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay. Well good. See so we agree we agree on that. We agree

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Surprise but Donald Trump mocked my word that dude is losing me believe me even the Republican

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_02]: See, are you talking about a Tony? All right, Tony? We are hang on Tony

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_01]: We are well aware of your opinion and your speculation that Trump's gonna lose

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So let me ask you do you have any problem with what? Well, let me ask it this way. What do you think happened with Joe Biden?

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think happened in the last three or four weeks there where he was saying I'm running again?

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna win. I have no problems and then all of a sudden he's like I'm out. What do you think happened?

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well, okay. All right

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Joe said what happened he said he put couple of powerful people in the Democratic Party called his phone and say hey look Joe

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You know you're looking bad man. Okay?

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_02]: That might have worked that might it could have happened but that's the Democratic Party

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_01]: They got the right to do that. Okay, so do you have any do you have any issue with?

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Democratic Party or Republican Party leaders that

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_01]: overturned the will of the primary voters in their own party

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, actually the thing about is Joe Biden could have said hell no, I'm sorry. Excuse me. I apologize

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he could have said Joe Joe Joe Biden could have said no man. I'm staying

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Forget y'all right. No, that's not what I asked

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I asked do you have a problem with the Democratic Party leaders going against their own voters in

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Throwing him out enforcing him out

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Do I have a problem? Yeah, do you have a problem with the Denver with the party leaders?

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Going against the the voters in the primaries

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it might be a overstep a little bit. It might be a overstep a little bit

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I can agree with you on that too might be overstep

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think it's I think it's all good for the country though

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I think there you go made the right decision. There you go

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Camilla Harris is gonna be the first woman president of the United States. All right once again another speculation

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Tony, I appreciate the call

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for proving what Eli Lake laid out in the last hour

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, which is that you have a permission structure because as long as you have this

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Catastrophization going on that one man is going to destroy the entire Republic then literally anything goes and you can go back in time

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And kill baby Hitler

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Anything goes you can do whatever you want

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And so really is it that far-fetched for me to think that people who think like you Tony

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_01]: That are in the Department of Justice wouldn't do whatever they needed to do to keep Donald Trump out of the White House

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Why would they be any different than you?

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, I appreciate the call though. It's always enjoyable. Let's jump over and get Rob on. Hello, Rob

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the show

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good afternoon and thank you very much. Yes, sir have me on your show. I

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: appreciate your host

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_02]: In qualities very much and allowing your guests to get their point across I have a point with your

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_02]: With your last guess it's not going to take is as long. You know, I may you know, I may

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: adherent of Shakespeare

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Brevity is a soul of wit. I'm gonna I'm gonna be as witty as I can. I'm a black

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: conservative Republican

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Have been for 35 40 years

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I am not voting for come up a Kamala

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and she's not going to win

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And I in what do I attribute it to the Hillary, you know, Hillary Clinton syndrome

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, there's a portion of people in this country

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Women men and some of these swing states

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Who no matter what how smart the woman candidate or how?

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_02]: supposedly

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_02]: She's equipped to deal with issues. Okay, they are not going to vote for a black woman and

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_02]: in these certain states

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_02]: People don't realize because of the electoral college and because we do have a republic a few thousand votes are gonna make the difference

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't make a difference what you think or what you hope

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_02]: They are going to you'll make the difference with a few thousand votes and it's my contention

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Whether rightly or wrongly that this silent majority when they go into the voting booth

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_02]: They might have been told by their wife before they go and you had better vote for Kamala

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But when thank goodness we have a republic and thank goodness we have privacy in our voting when they pull that curtain around

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Themselves they are not going to vote for a black woman. They're not going to vote for Kamala

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You know they may sit it out and vote for a third candidate

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But they are not going to vote for her and these are the people that are gonna make the difference in these swing states

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Now that's my contention. I know I won't be voting for her

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be voting for Donald Trump and I wish you'd start focusing this message because the time is getting short here

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot out there on miss Harris

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: How we conducted herself when she was in California

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_02]: How she lived her life in public?

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Committing adultery. Okay in public

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, I don't I don't think Trump though. I don't think he should probably go with that line of attack

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, he's not the best messenger to go after her on the adultery

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_02]: You're right. You're right, but I mean there is so much stuff out there

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean on the character issue, but you're right

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: He probably ought to refrain from you know going, you know doing a character issue now

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_01]: If she brings it up with the porn star like if she starts going there then he can I then then he can definitely

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Respond with a lot of people have been going there. Yeah, like, you know, like, you know in your profession

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I found Megan has been going there every day

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and and so I mean, you know, it's open it's fair

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, it's out there and it's true. Okay, but you're right

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Trump himself is probably not the best person to deliver the message, but there's plenty out there

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, she is a she is a word silent chef

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_02]: When he gets her on TV

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, she is not gonna be Biden, but she cannot keep a word. She cannot conduct a sentence. Yeah

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think it's good. Yeah, I think that's gonna be a problem, Rob

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I do appreciate the call. Yeah, I know I appreciate the call. Thanks so much. I gotta run

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the call with Tony is very illustrative in that

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Anything goes when you're saving the democracy

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_01]: anything goes right

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_01]: when you have

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_01]: turned up the threat so high

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_01]: that

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Everything is going to go away. This is the same

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_01]: catastrophization that occurs with climate change

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: This is why you have young people who have been

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_01]: brainwashed into becoming

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_01]: destabilizing activists. That's why they go and glue themselves to walls at

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_01]: museums and lay down in the middle of

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_01]: oncoming traffic, right?

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_01]: They believe that the end is near

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It's basically an entire generation walking around with the sandwich board signs ringing the bell and

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_01]: When you have when you have turned the threat up to that level that there is no future

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_01]: If this one thing doesn't happen, you've created a a cult like mentality and then anything goes in order to

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_01]: You know either achieve a goal or to avoid an outcome and in this case with Donald Trump

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Right it is to avoid him being and to prevent him from being elected

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Like Peter Struck and Lisa Page at the FBI

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, we won't let that happen

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what Peter Struck told Lisa Page

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_01]: While they were investigating Donald Trump and she was worried that he was gonna win and

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Struck said we won't let that happen and

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_01]: When asked what he meant by that in the text messages in front of a congressional panel, you remember what he said

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_01]: He said I

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_01]: meant the voters

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is utter crap. We all know

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly what you meant you meant you won't let that happen the FBI the DOJ

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_01]: That's running crossfire hurricane

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You guys are not going to let that happen

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course you did let that happen which is once again a testament and indictment

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_01]: To the efficacy and efficiency of Govco

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You you failed in that endeavor he did win by the way the New York Times

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Johnny on the spot with the story today headlined Hunter Biden sought State Department help for barisma

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Now that it might not matter because old Joe's going out to pasture right now we can finally tell the story

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Now we can finally know the thing that we've known for gosh, what six years now five years

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me jump over here and get John

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Onto the program. Hello John welcome to the show

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, hey Pete. Hey, yeah, I just wanted to follow up on that last color before the break

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Seem like a nice guy, but I think he was misguided to think that

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Voters wouldn't vote for a black woman. He said some of the vote for one has the right policy

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_01]: He said well, he said some voters won't and I and I believe that's true

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what that number is. I don't believe it's a critical mass

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But hey, I'm sure there are people that will not vote for a black candidate a woman candidate or a black woman candidate

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, unfortunately that is probably true. We do still have

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Prejudice bias in the country with

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunate look they always have it till the end of time we always have and they won't vote for short ugly ones either

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true like the taller you are the handsomer you are prettier you are the more likely you are to win

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_01]: That's I mean that like this people vote for candidates for really, you know mundane and silly reasons like that, but they do

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, I don't disagree with you, but I think I keep hearing this

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Jumping off another subject that on the media and then the last caller is like

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_04]: You know what is Trump doing to get the message out to all the people that he needs to be getting it to

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm getting the impression people are really concerned about

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Whether he's really making the contacts that he needs to I mean obviously if you're gonna vote for Trump four years ago

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_04]: You probably voting for him again

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_04]: So he spoke some trying to get that middle ground somewhere right? He's what is he doing to win new people?

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_01]: over to his side and

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's look that is a concern. I mean that's that's always been a concern. He has spent now the last

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Four years during the Biden administration on his tours

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You know talking about how bad Biden is and how great it was when he was president

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And while he can still make the argument, you know that things were great when he was president

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_01]: He has to do some sort of outreach and you know, there's concern that he's not buying enough advertising

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_01]: That he's not doing enough outreach to these

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Persuadibles, but I don't even know if there's a whole lot of persuadables

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Left and I don't I think we both know it's less than five or ten percent

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Sure, but then the question is I feel like people at work watch certain channels and they're focused on them whether BC and NNF

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_04]: MSNBC

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_04]: They never even hear the truth about

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Kamala or Kamala whatever her name is no they won't and the positions that

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_04]: She truly holds correct. I mean obviously they're trying to recreate her and

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately a lot of people by that but well, but this is what Eli Lake was talking about in that

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_01]: In the podcast beautiful. Yeah, I mean this is what he's talking about the catastrophization

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But also the stigmatization right where people who are in the media

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to be part of

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever is perceived to be that gets Donald Trump elected

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to do it

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to do hit pieces on Kamala Harris because if they do and Trump wins

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna get blamed for that so they self they self police, right?

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And this is what Lake talks about also I didn't play these clips

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But he talks about how people do this sort of thing in totalitarian regimes the regimes don't have to crack down with more laws against you because

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_01]: People just self police. They don't want to be on the outs. They know the peer pressure component here is very real

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but the time is upon us so are Trump or vans either one gonna be able to get on some of these others

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Stations that lean totally for Kamala or they gonna deny access and not have a mom

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_04]: So they can get the truth out of my honor. Obviously, she's not gonna tell the truth about herself

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Right if I'm JD Vance, I'm going on or Donald Trump. I'm going on all of the different stations

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Anybody that'll have me I'm I'm I'm telling the campaign pitch

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You know me to every radio station TV station and he did it last weekend JD Vance made the rounds on the Sunday shows too

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And he did a great. He did a great job. Um, yeah, they just got to keep that going mm-hmm

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so John, I appreciate the call man. Good to hear from you

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_01]: All right

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[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Sean has done. Hello, Sean welcome to the program

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello Peter first time ever calling you my friend listening to you quite a bit. Well, thank you

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I know you're libertarian. So you have no dog in this fight. So you're libertarian. So you just kind of going even

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Still but my comment is about Donald Trump is

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: If he had a plan together

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_02]: He wouldn't have to worry about come he doesn't he doesn't have any idea he talking about stuff to have eight years ago

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean as a Republican

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not but as a Republican I guess you don't have no ideas for him. So everybody's

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Claiming on to come I mean, I also what I don't see what's the problem

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody having problems if your candidate had great ideas then he should be up by 20 points

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think the problem that Trump has is that he

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_01]: In politics they call it. He's got you know the ceiling this polling ceiling people already know who he is right

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And so we saw what he did and in his mind

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think in a lot of his supporters minds they think well

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_01]: We want to go back to that and that should be enough and people will have buyers remorse

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But and this is something I say to Trump supporters all the time and they don't like to hear it

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But it is true

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of people that really really just hate Donald Trump at a personal level and they don't care

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't care about their own personal situation, right? They're not going to vote for the guy now

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Now and so I don't know if he's going to be able to reach those people

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But like particularly

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_01]: You know suburban women that were turned off by his

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_01]: His you know morals and his personal history and all of that

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, maybe maybe like there maybe what he's doing is somehow breaking through to that population

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe they're gonna go into the voting booth and they're gonna vote for him and then lie about voting for him

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_01]: That's possible too. I don't know well

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_02]: My thing is you saying about the people that hate him

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll give that about 10% but he he's confident that all the black Americans don't vote for him

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So we can balance that out

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So if you get 10 for the sympathy people hate them you got 15% of black America say they go vote for him

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean it should balance it out, but he doesn't have any ideas

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't have any ideas. He can't he can't put a sentence together y'all talk about

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, hang on. Hang on a second. Let me go back to the ideas. He does have ideas

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't agree with some of the ideas, but he does have them like for example just to take the most recent one

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Which was the no taxes on tips

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I disagree with that as a tax policy, but he started pitching that in order to win

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Votes in Nevada where they have a lot of people who work in the service industry for tips

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And what and Kamala Harris now just just took the policy too. She's like, oh, yeah, no taxes on tips

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I mean there you go want to balance it out. We can go I'm not balancing it out

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying he does have ideas. In fact, the idea was apparently so good that Kamala took it

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well come on to it. Okay. That's one she got that so I mean but the bottom line is for Donald Trump as

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_02]: As great as his Republican Party think he is he shouldn't even be worried about comedy should be up by 20 points

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Why so?

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Why should he be why should he be up by 20 points that that's what that's that's what all that's what all the Republicans

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what he said. He got the black boat. He got all the votes from last year

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So he said he's so great about he got these great ideas

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But he's not so he doesn't have any idea. So I need no hang on a second. I just gave you one

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I just told you I gave you one

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got an idea that ain't enough for the American people to vote for him. No, no

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_01]: He's also he's also talked about you, you know, he's been talking about like illegal immigration in the border

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_02]: See that ain't getting nowhere, but my boy. Well, what do you mean? That ain't get nowhere

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_01]: That's like one of the top three issues on him on voters minds

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But but he's not leading it is it must get nowhere we go about a top vote on the line and he's not lead

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not no great idea

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean okay, so wait a minute. So hang on a second. Is it is it not having any ideas or is it not having any great ideas?

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we can verbalize it anywhere you want to put that I'm asking you how no Sean

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm asking you how you're verbalizing it because I'm trying I'm just trying to discuss with it

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we've got to agree on definitions

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You know in order to have any kind of ability to communicate

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So like when you're saying that he doesn't have any ideas and I've given you just to now right off the top of my head

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll go with that. I'm gonna use your terminology

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't have great ideas for America people to feel like he's the president of the United States

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna use your terminology. He has okay

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_02]: We will say he has great ideas

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But in the public eye of the United States of America and the voters it doesn't seem like his great ideas are appealing to them

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no that yeah, I agree like there his ideas are obviously not breaking through to attract a

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_01]: 20-point spread or something whatever you said now

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I am curious though. Why do you think though? Did you come up with that number for a reason?

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Or you just like kind of making up a crazy number

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_01]: President has won by that kind of margin

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, then you go again. I like to do

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I like to just say 10% here maybe 20

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I try to balance it out even so so so you're just making up numbers Sean

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not balancing out because you're just making up numbers

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_02]: There you go. There you go brother

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You always want to you always want to well, I'm gonna just put it like this

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we're gonna go back a full-file number you want this idea is not appealing to American people

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Not all I agree with you. No, I look I agree with you

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_01]: This is what got Mitt Romney in trouble remember Mitt Romney in the undercover video and the 47% you remember what that was about

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_01]: You gotta tell me a little bit more sure sure. Yeah, so Mitt Romney goes to some fundraiser

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_01]: He's running against Obama. What was that 2012?

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and he says he says there's 47% of the public that is for it

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_01]: That's gonna vote for me

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_01]: 47% of the public is gonna vote for Obama

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And so you're trying to go after the middle number that's who and that's and that's every election cycle for president

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Every now that's what we're talking about the numbers there keep but let me say this one last thing

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But that's why I asked you about the 20% because that number doesn't make any sense

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you're fighting over just an 8% in the middle the 20% doesn't make any sense

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_01]: No president has won since Reagan with that kind of spread

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate the call Sean and I agree with you that a lot of Americans about half don't like what Trump is selling

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